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Losing faith in people

post #1 of 57
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Last Sunday, I accidentally left my jacket in a restroom at Kirkwood with my season pass in it. I called my friends who were staying till Monday, and asked them to get it for me, but it was already gone in the morning. And it hasn't turned up yet at the lost&found.

Three years ago I lost my goggles on my way to the lifts from the parking lot. It also never turned up.

I thought that people were generally honest, but now I don't know..
If someone really took my jacket for himself, I hope he shows up some weekend wearing the jacket and season pass so I can kick his @$$. :
post #2 of 57
Originally posted by paulwlee:
[QB]I thought that people were generally honest, but now I don't know..
I think most people are, but...some are not. Problem is, I think many times the honest people let things alone figuring the owner will return to retrieve the lost item. The dishonest people on the other hand don't. But...you've already experienced that half of the equation. Let's hope some honest person picked up your coat and just hasn't been able to contact you yet.
post #3 of 57
My wife lost her brand new gloves last week in Vermont and they have not turned up. I think a woman next to her threw her jacket over them but I didn't realize my wife had not packed them. If she did that on purpose that is pretty shitty.

Someone stole one of my poles last 2 years back at Pico.

I would never take someone's stuff but obviously there are alot of jerks out there.

I wish them all bad karma.

I always lock all of my stuff no and always keep an eye on it.

What kind of jacket was it?
post #4 of 57
Have you had the pass invalidated? It may help nab the guy!
post #5 of 57
I went skiing at Mountain Creek, not too far from NYC, and left my skis leaning against a rack outside the men's room for exactly two minutes.
When I came out they were gone. There was an employee standing nearby, I said: 'someone just stole my skis'
and he said: 'were they locked up?'.

I went to my car, and saw a teenager putting my skis into a van nearby. I confronted him and took the skis back. He refused to tell me where the poles were.
A nearby car pulled away, and there were my poles, on the ground where he'd thrown them.

I went back to the lodge and told the employee that I'd caught the guy who stole my skis; he said 'next time lock them up'.
post #6 of 57
I would have dragged that little bastard right to the lodge until some cops came.
post #7 of 57
There's more. The employee said they wouldn't call the cops, since I got the skis back.
post #8 of 57
Two weeks ago I was skiing at Snowbowl and was chatting with my friend Todd, who works in the rental shop. Todd usually loans me tools to make little binding or boot adjustments, and that's just what I was doing that day.

I leaned my poles up against the counter in the "service" section of the rental shop.

When I got up to leave, the poles were gone. Todd said, "don't worry, they'll turn up at the end of the day. Come back tomorrow, they'll be here."

Well, I haven't been up to the Bowl since that day, but I saw Todd on the Friday of the same week, and he told me that the poles came back just as he predicted.

So much for people being dishonest on average.

I think the narrow few have a wide impact.
post #9 of 57
Would you recognize your own poles?

Scenario: two older, not current production carbon fiber poles with aftermarket distinctive powder baskets, distinctively chewed up grips, and reflective tape on the shafts are left in the rack outside main lodge, next to skis. (No locking racks are available).

I go back after lunch. Skis there: no poles. 30 minutes of searching - nothing. 5 runs later, I'm back at the lodge. My poles are (neatly!) hanging on someone's straight skis. Yes, I took them back.

I see no need to give this person the benefit of the doubt-I cannot believe someone would be _THAT_ oblivious to something they had in their hand all day.

(Edited to say that I am especially paranoid when there are buses with NY plates in the parking lot.)

[ February 18, 2004, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: comprex ]
post #10 of 57
Only thing I've had stolen was shoes. I got some 10 inch maine hunting shoes from LLBean under the christmas tree in 1979 and in 1994 I skied @ night at wintergreen, va. and after skiing they were gone. Other than that, I've had pretty good luck leaving stuff around the slopes. I do wear my lawn mower shoes now, and they ain't been stolen...
post #11 of 57
Who the hell wants to wear someone else's stuff especially shoes.

That's nasty.
post #12 of 57
I will make a confession: when I was in my teens I stole poles. That being said, Karma has balanced things out for me over the years. Karma need not be wished!

At Killington, my bag was stolen. Inside were:

New jeans ($50)
New eyeglasses ($500)
New boots ($100)

and some other miscellesneous items.

As I know that the younger version of myself is out there still looking for me, I lock my bag and skis and have a cheap pair of composite poles that are chewed up from skiing the bumps.
post #13 of 57
Originally posted by Scalce:
I would have dragged that little bastard right to the lodge until some cops came.
I probably would of sh!tkicked him right then and there.
post #14 of 57
Who wants to wear someone else's shoes.... ?

At Hunter Mtn, some of the lift attendants have duct tape wrapped around their boots, holding them together, since they can't afford new boots on the salaries they're paid by the mountain.

So.... a ski area employee might want to wear someone else's shoes.
post #15 of 57
If ski areas had the police involved in every theft ski towns would ....

Top the lists of reported crimes by federal reporting criteria and would start making the headlines.

Do you think that places like Killington would allow that to happen? No way!

Do you think that the municipality wants that to be reported?

Can you go down and report the theft? Yep ... pain in the ass but you can. In the case where you HAD the plate number of the car you are nuts not to. The cops would have to pick them up.

Don't you think that the theives know that the mountain won't call and count on that.

A few seasons ago, I had a photographer rip me off for some photos of my kid. Called the hill and the New York State Police, told the detective (who knew the whereabouts), of the guy, that I would be up to Whiteface to file charges myself and appear in court .... funny thing ... the detective delivered my message and I got the photos in three days after waiting four months.
post #16 of 57
At the time of the theft, and recovery of my skis, it was the end of a night of skiing (10 PM) and I had a long drive back to NYC ahead of me, and had to be at work before 8 AM the following morning, for a 12 hour shift, with possible overtime necessary (a city job).
When I got back to my car, the van with the teens and their stealing instructor was gone...
post #17 of 57
now as a counterpoint to my poles return story,

3 seasons ago I demo'd some K2 Mod X skis and took 'em up to Schweitzer Mtn in the Idaho panhandle. At the end of the day, I leaned them against the wall to go inside to take off my boots. 5 minutes later, I returned to that wall and they were gone.

Gone for good.

The Bonner County, Idaho Sheriff was already on top of the theft. Apparently a number of pairs were stolen the same time/day.

I never got 'em back, and had to pay the demo shop for the whole setup. Imagine, paying for skis/bindings but only being able to use them once before they disappeared. Talk about pi$$ing money away!
post #18 of 57
Ice--i am disillusioned.
Cripes, New Yorkers will get a wuss
You had the skis, bust a windshield!
Skiboots on? Applied swiftly to the
groin will leave a lasting impression.
I understand about the long day and
the work, but the plate number and a
phone call to the cops...
post #19 of 57
Now that blows.
post #20 of 57
My local hill is Blue Mountain here in eastern Pa.Since Jan.1 over $14000. in equiptment has been stolen.Something like $5000. over one weekend!That stuff has to be flying out of there and no one notices.i think it's the dirty little secret of ski areas that no one knows about.If it's not locked up, "It's outta here"
post #21 of 57
if you really don't want it stolen make it as unattractive and unique as possible. Thieves want new, shiny stuff, as they don't want to inadvertently steal something from one of their friends or someone who knows em. Duct tape, stickers, spraypaint, they all work, since skis were meant to be skied and not look pretty on the racks. Same goes for bikes in the city. My skis are ugly, scratched and have stickers on em. I have no problems.
post #22 of 57
At the time of the theft and recovery of my skis, I was already too mature to think that it's ok to assault someone just because he stole something. Or to break the windshield on someone's car, because a knucklehead in his party stole something.
I may refer to the one adult in the party as his 'stealing instructor', but really, I have no idea how aware the man was of what was going on. He may have been a simple minded and good hearted christian, driving some kids from his church for an evening of skiing... who knows?

We've all been hurt when things were stolen from us in the past; some of us have also stolen at some point (usually as amoral teenagers). And we've all wanted to do physical harm to the people who stole from us, if we could catch them.

I don't believe that physical violence was called for in the situation. If he had refused to give the skis up, and tried to get away with them, that would be another story, but he didn't.
post #23 of 57
You're right Ice.
Though I am not certain there was
any negative consequence for the
I have noticed when ski theft
"rings" are caught, a van
is usually the stashplace of choice
for them.
post #24 of 57
Last weekend while riding the lift, I noticed a barely visible season pass lying on the snow below. I retreived it and turned it into the desk. The owner had already checked in twice looking for it. The pass was one dishonest person away from disappearing. Actually, the grooming machine would have munched it later that evening once grooming ops started. I just hope that if my pass ever falls off someone would return it in. There are good, honest people out in ski land, but the bad apples can quickly alter that idea.
post #25 of 57
yeah, I always bring my skis in the lodge and put them at the instructors table. Since all the other instructors are all skiing on NEW skis it minimizes the chances my banged up atomics will get nabbed. Also, under the binding plate which can be removed without tools(IF you know how), I put my name, last 4 digits of social security number and my birthdate as ID info so if ever I'm in a dispute I can prove ownership if I catch someone walking off with my sticks. At the small resort I teach at, ski theft is not common but neither is it unheard of. The head of the ski school has talken many precautions and has never had gear ripped off, but he HAS had a pair of shoes stolen. What someone would want with someone else's worn out kicks, I don't know.
post #26 of 57
Yes violence is dumb but maybe getting the license plate number or kids license number and name (if he had a license) would have prevented someone else getting stuff stolen.

All you did what get your stuff back and allow them to do it another day.

I know it's a hassle to fill out a police report and you needed to get home which is understandable but it may have made a difference for someone else who had stuff stolen or will have their stuff stolen.
post #27 of 57
Originally posted by comprex:
I see no need to give this person the benefit of the doubt-I cannot believe someone would be _THAT_ oblivious to something they had in their hand all day.

Actually they are....

A few years ago when I was still quite nervous I was skiing with 2 young guys. Due to my nerves they had me sandwiched between them. ie one went ahead to pace set - I followed - the other brought up the rear & kept manic snowboarders away from me.

A nice looking older gentleman came past the rear guy - but the thought was he should be fine - NOT - he cleaned me up - skied straight into the back of me at high speed.

This leaves me lying on snow with guy from behind me picking me up. The guy in front stopped on my frineds warning & my scream. So he is trying to check on the guy who hit me to make sure he is OK. (Who has gone straight through me - with one of my skis down there as well after flying through the air). This older 'gentleman' gets up & tries to slam his boot into my ski. It is a different colour to the one on his other foot. The binding is different too. Of course his boot does not fit the binding. So he picks it up & starts 'examining' the binding to see why it is not working.

My friend who was standing near me had to tell my other friend to get the ski back - he was looking so bemused at this guy he hadn't thought to rescue my ski before the goose reset the binding or something & took off.
post #28 of 57
Originally posted by TheIceMan:
There's more. The employee said they wouldn't call the cops, since I got the skis back.
To be fair, I really doubt the cops have time for stuff like that. Maybe if he'd actually succeeded in stealing your skis...
post #29 of 57
Judging by the attitude at the ski area, if I'd seen the guy throw my skis in the van and take off, and I had gotten the license plate number, they would have asked me 'how do you know those were your skis?, a lot of people have those skis'.
post #30 of 57
And anyway, I was saying that the owner/driver of the van possibly didn't know what was happening, NOT that the teenager who stole the skis didn't know.

This was a response to the philosopher who suggested that I should break the windshield of the van.

If you gave someone a ride and they did something wrong, should your car be vandalized?

If they had some pot or hash in their pocket, should you go to jail for drug possession?

It begins and ends with the punk who stole my skis.

No one was going to compensate me for the time spent trying to get some NJ cop to take my complaint seriously.

And no one was going to do anything about the misery involved in working a 12 hour shift the following day without enough sleep, because of time wasted trying to get some legal action in the matter. It would be an example of me hurting myself in the service of a desire for revenge. And I know from other experiences, that revenge does not taste sweet.

If you're worried about this same idiot stealing your skis, buy a lock and lock them up. I had a lock with me, and didn't bother to use it because I was only stepping into the men's room for less than two minutes on the way to my car.
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