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Lib Tech NAS POW in 185cm

post #1 of 16
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http://www.libtechnas.com/

Anyone skied these? Any one know if they do demo days? Interested but not willing to stump up for a 'crazy' concept without a test/ demo (or some serious hoots from forum members who have skied them).
post #2 of 16
I know a lot of people who have riden they're snowboards and they all, to a man, have said the grip is incredible and the boads are UN-be-LIEVABLE.The technology works for snowbords, I can't see why it wouldn't work as well for skis.
post #3 of 16
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I have heard the same thing - a friend of mine is sponsored by them (snowboards) but snow boards working well and skis working well are not the same thing. But one could anticipate that if they can get a free ride board right then they should be able to make a big mountain/ powder ski right.

I want them to be as good as my DP Pros but fatter. Still prefer to hear from someone who has skied them.
post #4 of 16
i'm sorta/not really in the same boat as you, though not really.

i plunked down on a pair of the NAS big mountains (last year's with a 99mm waist (this years they shrunk it back to 93mm))

i went solely on the flex, length, weight (they're set to be an AT set-up) and the recommendations of the one dealer/shop that carries them here in SF (my buddy used to work at the shop and the own is cool...he only has a 3 ski quiver, constantly updating it, and he swears he rode the 99mm's 50+ days last season and loved 'em.

As for the Powder boards (assuming you are talking about the new 117mm ones), since they're new this season i dunno where you're going to find them to demo...though Washington state might be a good place to start since they're made up that way and I believe they test 'em at Mt. Baker.

in terms of the edge...do you really want grippy edges for powder planks? (i got the 99mm for an all around AT ski, where you want some grip from time to time).

post #5 of 16
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do you really want grippy edges for powder planks?
That was my initial take too.

But then my second thought was that, because the edges matter little if any in the powder, that might be exactly the right environment for these.

If you assume that these edges are more difficult to tune than normal edges, but will take much less abuse from powder than they would from groomers and ice (assuming they're a quiver ski), you should have a ski that rarely needs edge grip, but when it does, should have it in spades.

But what do I know.
post #6 of 16
from what I've read about the NAS, they don't need special tuning, per se.

also they claim that the edge hold is superior, even when dull.

of course that could just be the marketing hype.

i'll letcha all know at the beginning of the season how the waverly edges (krinkle kut, I believe they call 'em on the website) actually work out.

http://www.libtechnas.com/

All I can say is that they are light.

And fairly stiff.

That's just going off last year's Freeride model, that's leaning up against my bookshelf yearning for bindings.
post #7 of 16
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from what I've read about the NAS, they don't need special tuning, per se.
While they might not cause a problem with a machine, they certainly won't work with my file guide.

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of course that could just be the marketing hype.
Y'think?
post #8 of 16
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I think edges are pretty important on every ski - powder skiing can have variable conditions on one line just as much as any run can have.

I quite like my edges to work really well when I want them and if there is lots of deep powder than it actually doesn't matter what the edge set up is - edges cannot 'grab' powder.

Also quite a lot of my powder is side country or cat skiing in our abck bowl so I need to be able to ski back to the locker room or carpark at the end of the day without worrying that I am sliding sideways on every patch of hard snow or ice (and yes Colorado does have hard snow adn ice or at least it did last season).
post #9 of 16
Andrew:

1. Have you thought about contacting Lib Tech and seeing if they have any shops in your area that carry the NAS and demo them?

2. I know that some smaller companies have been open to the idea of shippinng out a few pairs of skis to reliable riders for the sake of demoing. Perhaps you could use your "pull" as an instructor to finagle a loaner pair.
post #10 of 16
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Andrew:

1. Have you thought about contacting Lib Tech and seeing if they have any shops in your area that carry the NAS and demo them?

2. I know that some smaller companies have been open to the idea of shippinng out a few pairs of skis to reliable riders for the sake of demoing. Perhaps you could use your "pull" as an instructor to finagle a loaner pair.
Email back from Lib Tech (I emailed them first) - no mention of demo days but they did tell me about the pro form deal - better than a kick in the pants I guess.

Also got an email back from Liberty (Avon, CO), early season demo at Vail, earlier trade day that I have been invited to at Keystone (man it will be so hard to travel all that extra way). They said to speak to them at the demo/ trade thingy and they will work out something - sweet.

I am guessing that I will probably be on a pair of Liberty Helix 187cm before Christmas - I like the idea of a bamboo core (works well on surfboards) as it is a sustainable material.
http://www.libertyskis.com/skis.php and as a bonus they have nice decks (yeah I like a good looking ski even if it does spend most of the time covered in snow).
post #11 of 16
Andrew!

Cool that you're gonna get to demo the Liberty's. Read good things about the Helix in Freeskier's 2008 guide.

hey, since you're in Colo, you should reach out to the Fatypus folks. Their D-Sender model is getting all kinds of accolades (it's 112mm underfoot, closer to the Lib Tech Powder in terms of width).

http://www.fat-ypus.com/home/home.php


wouldn't/couldn't hurt to demo as much as you can.

Also, reach out to the Icelantic folks. They're in Colo, too. I demoed their sticks at Loveland last season and they are interesting. Very short, but stable for the length. Good people's too (they bought me a beer just for trying their skis!)

http://www.icelanticboards.com/


Also there's Scotty Bob, whom I have spoken with and they do demos around Colo, as well (I believe they are based out of Silverton, but do demos around Eagle/Summit Counties)

http://www.scottybob.com/


FINALLY, Prior is really good about doing crazy demos...they usually post a schedule on their site around Octoberish:
http://www.priorskis.com/


And I think High Society is also based in Colo...http://www.highsocietyfreeride.com/


On a non-colo related note, Moment outta Reno, has been known to ship demo skis to folks out of state (some cat over on TGR got Moment to ship out a few sticks to him and he held a demo day for Maggots at Loveland in April): http://www.momentskis.com/


Too many choices, man...I'd take advantage of all/any of them if you can!
post #12 of 16
Andrew et al.:

I am planning to buy the Lib ski this year, based on my experience riding a Lib magne-traction board all last season. I want a pure pow ski that has decent edge hold on the frontside to get back to the lift and I think this ski is it. My present pow ski is the K2 AK Launcher, which is a very, very good pow ski; however, I want a wider ski. Here are a few of my observations about magne-traction: on hard snow the edge hold is very good and can be modulated; when running straight the edge is not grabby; in pow you don't notice. In mixed hard-soft-windblown transitions the magne-traction works excellent. One aspect about magne-traction I want to emphasize is you do not have to tune-file-bevel the edges all the time. Just ski. Do not buy this ski if you are a tune-freak. Also, this ski is not popped out of a mold in China - it is hand made in WA by innovators who are not constrained by the commercial ski (or snowboard) market.
post #13 of 16
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Johnnie Crystal: thanks - I am a tune freak but interested in the whole alternative tech, hand made small 'non chinese' manufacturer thing. Good to hear that you think the same thing about the edge tach as my SB friend does. I can get my tuning fix by repairing base dings and waxing.

What sort of base bevel did you run on your SB?

They really look like a great idea but I want to have a ride on them before commit the wampam to them. I am sure they will be at the same early season demo as Liberty.
post #14 of 16
I'm also interested in picking up a pow ski for the spring and it would be nice to hear some other people's experiences first.
post #15 of 16

Just waiting for delivery of mine, in 191cm with the marker jester schizo, 1st ski week this season for me is a little late at 18-23 Dec,  but I'll post something after xmas.

post #16 of 16
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Just waiting for delivery of mine, in 191cm with the marker jester schizo, 1st ski week this season for me is a little late at 18-23 Dec,  but I'll post something after xmas.



 

ok, I just got back from Skiing in Lech, Austria on the Lib tech magic pow 191's, the skis:

 

1st Day- on Piste   -17c (1st day of the season for me)

Got to the top of the mountain with bindings set in center, today would be a just be getting a feeling of the skis and my legs. I really struggled to get the edges to grip, so I moved the binding a setting forward at a time on the second movement the skis, gripped like a carver, wow! they do start to flap a little when really cooking though, which may be expected.

 

2nd day- in the Pow -2c

Started the day in the setting form the day before, and found the heavy pow a little difficult, I moved the binding back a bit faster this time and the skis ate the heavy pow and the crud.

 

3rd Day - too hungover to get my legs to work cool.gif

 

4th day - in the pow +5c

now it got a little warmer from a cold night, the crust was quite thick, but it was breaking in the morning, the skis, and of course my excellence :-), dealt with this with very well, in the after noon the crust melted to granules, it was a joy to ski on them with these skis.

 

The skis did get quite a lot of attention in Austria, I'll leave it up to you to decide if this is good or not.

 

Over all I think the skies are really great, and I am very happy with mine, but from what I have seen they really benefit from and adjustable binding.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

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