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Volkl's M Rock?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Still shopping for the NewEngland fresh snow ski...170, ~level 7+ skier. Haven't skied the M Rock(nor have I tried the Goats..) but will try to demo both asap, thus am wondering if it's much different from a Mantra or not...
....any opinions welcomed...
post #2 of 19
From what I've read, the M-Rock has one sheet of titanium, same dimensions and general build as the old Mantra. It's lighter and I'd guess a bit softer, but still about 8.5 lbs, so probably not best choice for serious touring AT; excellent sidebounds/tree ski for NE. FWIW, Skiing's Backcountry review section liked it a lot, saw it as damp and grippy. The old T-Rock (Karma minus metal) was a respected AT ski, also all-purpose backside/soft snow setup for lighter skiers, so the M-Rock will probably get it right too...
post #3 of 19
anyone know if the M-Rock is made in Germany or overseas?
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
anyone know if the M-Rock is made in Germany or overseas?

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Location: San Francisco
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post #5 of 19
was thinking that somebody might want to move this to the Ski Gear discussion board since it's not a member review and might better serve the OP having it posted over there...

post #6 of 19
i tested this ski for Backcountry/Couloir magazine last spring. felt exactly like my Mantras. fun ski!
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 

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Thanks guys....and, again much welcomed input from Mr. TPU himself...dookey.
post #8 of 19
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post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by chili View Post
i tested this ski for Backcountry/Couloir magazine last spring. felt exactly like my Mantras. fun ski!
Look at last year's spec's of the Mantra and this year's M-Rock. Maybe that's why it "felt exactly like my Mantras".:
post #10 of 19
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Look at last year's spec's of the Mantra and this year's M-Rock. Maybe that's why it "felt exactly like my Mantras".:
hmmmm.... exactly
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

...no, no, no...not anything of worth...

dookey,
The "Do key" had a major function in DEC's "TPU" editor....or, ~27- yrs ago.....;-)
post #12 of 19
ah, and here i thought it was "Totally Politically Uncorrect" since I asked if the skis were made in Germany or Overseas (i.e. China).

post #13 of 19
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ah, and here i thought it was "Totally Politically Uncorrect" since I asked if the skis were made in Germany or Overseas (i.e. China).

I think they mean that both Germany and Asia are considered "overseas" from where you are (San Francisco).
post #14 of 19
ah, now you've solved the "mystery" of El Chup's post.

me, i was using "overseas" as the euphemism for China (that's how it's usually used when a ski company or other form of industry says "We make our product overseas." In the past several years it seems that the use of the the term "overseas" is to avoid any stigma that might come with revealing that your product is made in China or a third world economy).

but yeah, technically, you are right. Anything in between Germany and China would be overseas from SF.

so, does anybody know the answer to the original question?

last time i heard Volkl was splitting their ski making between Germany and China. it was my understanding that most of the twin tips and some of the freeride modles were being made in China (i had heard that during their first year of making the freeride models the Dogen and Gotama were made in China, but the Karma and Mantra were still made in Germany).

just curious.
post #15 of 19
Problem: Reviews keep referring to the M-Rock as (paraphrase) same shape as old Mantra but light. Old Mantra wasn't that light. Isn't it more likely the M-Rock is an Aura?
post #16 of 19
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Problem: Reviews keep referring to the M-Rock as (paraphrase) same shape as old Mantra but light. Old Mantra wasn't that light. Isn't it more likely the M-Rock is an Aura?
the pair i tested came pre-mounted with the Dukes (which are heavy). so i can't really comment if they are lighter than the Mantra. what i *do* know is that i had a pair of 177 Mantras w/ S914s from a few years ago, and the 177 M-Rocks w/Dukes which i tested last spring, felt very similar. but i did not have a chance to ski my own Mantras vs M-Rocks back to back... since i didn't have my own skis with me and had several other skis i tested that day.
post #17 of 19
OK, just to confuse matters, I have one mag review that states the M-Rock is all wood, thus analogous to the T-Rock/Karma correlation, and another that states it has one sheet of metal, which is why it's so light compared to the Mantra. Meanwhile, Volkl's site says that it has two sheets of titanium, which makes it a resheeted 06 Mantra. And everyone talks about how light it is. Compared to? Can anyone from/near Volkl clear this up? :
post #18 of 19
according to Volkl:

http://www.volkl.com/ski/backcountry_m_rock.html

M-Rocks are
1. Made in Germany (check out the scrolling picture of the ski)

2. features two (2) sheets of titanium.

sounds to me like it's the 2005 first gen Mantra with a new white/grey top sheet.

I'm now on the hunt to find me a pair of 184's to replace my old 177 Mantras (gotta say that the M-Rock topsheet is nice and mellow compared to some of the other freeride topsheets Volkl is sporting this year).
post #19 of 19
I would just go with the 184cm mantra of any year. The new ones that are 2mm wider I doubt are going to be noticeable in preformance difference.
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