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post #31 of 44
Yes, boots will be fitted the same way.

It depends on your foot.

Get the smallest At binding you can. Smaller is generally stiffer & liter.

FYI: Small FR's will fit a 305mm boot. If your going for the Dukes, get the small.
post #32 of 44
I"m not sure what my exact boot sole size is yet, but I have a size 13 (US) foot. Would this fit the small Duke really?...:
post #33 of 44
MP, the approximate sole length for you is going to be about 235 mm if you can fit in a Mondo 29 shell, and it will be longer for a Mondo 30. That is at least a medium and probably a large FR.

Dookey, I wear a punched and ground pair of Hot Rods and my Adrenalines are indeed a full shell size larger. I agree you want a close fit, but you need more room at the toes because most of the time spent in these boots is not with your shin pressing on the tongue. If your feet are in contact with the front of the shell, you well have no toenails after a moderate hike. I don't even want to think about toeing in to a steep slope or using crampons with a race fit boot. Equally important is, you don't want heel slip or you'll have mondo blisters. The plastics in AT boots are lighter, thinner and they don't stand up to grinding and punching like the Hot Rods. I get a good tight all around fit in my AT boots, but I used a toe cup when we heat formed the liner, and I do have some room there. Go with a good shell fit. If the liner packs out, you can move to an Intuition or Zip Fit liner.
post #34 of 44
Here a question that may also effect AT bootfitting.

It is accepted that changes in weight will effect how our ski boots fit. But, does carrying a pack with any significant weight also have an impact?

Reason for question is I have done a number of side country trips (3-4 hours) in my Adernalines which have a custom heat molded footbed and the thermofit liners have been heat molded. No blisters, not problems. First serious BC trip (4 dayer) carrying 25kg pack, blisters on inside arch within 2 hours.

Any thoughts?
post #35 of 44
Just out of curiosity, were the first two hours primarily skinning or walking?

I'll see if we can get some of the boot fitters to answer this. I have a feeling the increased weight of the pack could very significantly affect foot pronation and the way your boots impact you.
post #36 of 44
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
Just out of curiosity, were the first two hours primarily skinning or walking?

I'll see if we can get some of the boot fitters to answer this. I have a feeling the increased weight of the pack could very significantly affect foot pronation and the way your boots impact you.
Ding ding ding. I've had the same suggestion before. First 1.5 hours were very hard bootpacking. Also, arch blisters were worse on right foot, which pronates more when walking than the left.

The arch blisters occurred well above he arch support on the footbed (near the carbon insert on the Adrenalines instep area).

However, I am interested to know if anyone else thinks if carrying a fair amount of additional weight (i.e via a backpack) effects bootfit; and if so, whether allowance for this needs to be made when fitting AT/XC boots that will be used for touring (e.g. get footbeds and have liners molded whilst wearing an extra 20kg weight).
post #37 of 44
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
MP, the approximate sole length for you is going to be about 235 mm if you can fit in a Mondo 29 shell, and it will be longer for a Mondo 30. That is at least a medium and probably a large FR.
Thanks Cirque, did you mean 325mm though?


Sizes: (Fritchi Explore)
Small fits men's boot sizes 4.5 - 9 (245mm -300mm)
Medium fits men's boot sizes 6 - 12 (280mm - 335mm)
X Large fits men's boot sizes 11 - 13 (325mm - 365mm)
post #38 of 44
Thread Starter 
yeah, i was thinking that too!

since i have a men's shoe size between 9-10.5 depending on brand of shoe and my ski boots have a 305mm sole. i was thinking "hmmm, a guy with a 13 size regular shoe has a ski boot sole size that's 70mm shorter than mine? wow, AT boots really are sized differently!"

post #39 of 44
Dyslexic numbering

3-3-5 yep.
post #40 of 44
One thing to keep in mind with binding sizing is that AT bootsoles can be significantly shorter than alpine bootsoles for the same shell size. My race-fit Langes are a 304 or 305mm bootsole (forget which, haven't skied 'em in a while). My similarly-fit Adrenalins are a 298mm bootsole. If 300mm is the advertised cut-off in binding sizing, that creates a bit of dilemma. Personally, I've found the Adrenalins to be a better alpine boot than anything else I've skied in; the only boot I've had that comes close is the Rossi Course E with some notching of the shell for additional flex. Some of that is because they fit better than any pair of boots I've owned, but some of it is also due to being soft enough that I can flex them and upright enough to work with the range of motion in my ankle. YMMV, of course.
post #41 of 44
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Originally Posted by Mashed Potatoes View Post
Sizes: (Fritchi Explore)
Small fits men's boot sizes 4.5 - 9 (245mm -300mm)
Medium fits men's boot sizes 6 - 12 (280mm - 335mm)
X Large fits men's boot sizes 11 - 13 (325mm - 365mm)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbroderick View Post
If 300mm is the advertised cut-off in binding sizing, that creates a bit of dilemma.
FYI: I always set my Fritchi's forward pressure @ -5mm. My 305mm boots release properly in a small.
post #42 of 44
If you are skinning straight up you don't really need the walk mode, and can get by with good fitting Alpine boots. If you hike of skin on flatter terrain you'll want the walk mode.

I have the true gearhead quiver, from dynafit super light to Atomic race boots, and but I use my Scarpa Tornados for 90% of all my skiing.
post #43 of 44
I purchased a pair of Endorphins last year. Took me a while to get the fit right and I still have not thermo fit them as once I got them fitting well I was afraid to mess with them! My troubles were around what size to get. I had to mail order them due to my location and it took me a few trys to get the right size.....

These are great boots! Despite they fact that they work with Alpine Bindings I am looking at switching all of my bindings to Fritischis. I really like the "traction" sole of the Endorphin and as I only weigh 150lbs high DIN settings are not to big of a worrry. Probably wont' work for everyone, but I sure like the setup.
post #44 of 44

Beware Packout/Laces

I had a pair of Xena's last year (I think the girl's version of the endorphins) and had a lot of trouble with the liners. When I got them, they were super tight and responded really well. As time went on, they packed out more than I've had any other liner pack out. I ended up having so much foam on the liners that they looked kinda goofy.

Then the rivets that held the laces broke. I wasn't yarding on them or anything, just tying them out of the way. I finally broke down and got some intuition liners for them, which worked a lot better, and were lighter.

This all happened within 1/2 a season of skiing them. Granted, I work for the hill so I skied probably more than the average person. Then, one day I noticed that the flex in my right boot had drastically changed. It was fine going up hill, but super soft on the downhill. The walk/ski mechanism had broken, and it would no longer lock into ski. I took them to the boot shop, and we sent them back to Garmont. Garmont has excellent customer service, replaced the mechanism in both boots, and gave me a whole extra baggie for the screws to screw in the soles. I'm still not sure if I'm going to keep them or not though. I've got a tele setup for BC so the AT kinda seems overkill.
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