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post #61 of 82
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Originally Posted by ct55 View Post
Let's not start the whole Highway Star discussion again

We need a Spinal Tap movie for skiers ... "these go up to 11".
I'll start

Extreme ops! http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/extreme_ops/ It just doesn't really get any worse than this.:
post #62 of 82
Why breckenridge? I seem to remember that 85% of that mountain is groomed.
post #63 of 82
In the interest of disclosure, I have to say that I considered a trip to Deer Valley with my family a couple years ago, for the following reasons:
Two flights rather than the 3 for JH, CB or Taos
Easy/quick airport transfer, unlike, say Fernie
More snow than Colorado
A town to walk around in (assuming you stay in PC), unlike LCC
From what I've heard, limited competition for powder
Again from what I've heard, underrated challenge

I'm sure all the negatives you hear about are true. But those positives stack up pretty nicely too. Ultimately, hard to beat St Anton as a resort, given it's only 3 1/2 hour drive for me.
post #64 of 82
I think those are some darn good reasons to go to Deer Valley. If I had the money and met the dress code I'd go there for those reasons...its a perfectly reasonable place to ski and you can always get in your car and go to Snowbasin or LCC if you feel adventurous.
post #65 of 82
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
It's just a list. I find it funny that so much hysteria is generated from this every year, especially from the 'gnar' crowd. The wine & cheese folks are equally outraged by the Skiing mag list. The horror!
So would starting a thread about it be the troll of the year? I remember you posting in this annual rite of fall in previous editions. Do you always start it?
post #66 of 82
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
It's just a list. I find it funny that so much hysteria is generated from this every year, especially from the 'gnar' crowd. The wine & cheese folks are equally outraged by the Skiing mag list. The horror!
I don't know how good a representation I am of the "gnar" crowd, but I haven't even glanced at Ski or Skiing for well over a decade. I'm not exactly "outraged". If it weren't for this thread I'd still be blissfully ignorant that Ski magazine even exsisted.
post #67 of 82
I was kind of disappointed that Breckenridge made the list....I actually ski there a lot mostly for convenience. A group of us rent a condo there because frankly we really like the town, and when you wake up hung over...you can just step out your door grab a bus and you are there in 5 minutes. I just hate all the crowds.

And as far as Steamboat being on that list.....way to ruin a great place.


I really need a good job in JH so I don't have to live in Denver and ski with all these gapers.
post #68 of 82
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Originally Posted by Aleph Null View Post
Flame war? Who needs a flame war, everyone knows Ski's critera are exclusively based on Bathroom Cleanliness, and I think that these rankings almost perfectly reflect this.
Ever been to Snowbasin? Best bathrooms ever!
post #69 of 82
what i find interesting is how the slant of both SKI and Skiing have changed over the years.

When i was fresh out of college i read both SKI and Skiing pretty regularly, even though I wasn't skiing that much.

I enjoyed SKI at the time because it was more laid back and mellow in editorial tone.

Meanwhile I found Skiing (at the time, mind you, and this is the early-to-mid-'90s) to be not only snarky, but elitist. I'll never forget reading a feature in Skiing penned by some self-important Wall Street broker who spent the whole article bragging about how he owned a house in Marin, a private jet, and ski condos in Utah, Colorado, back East, and in Europe, and how he and his buddies would log in 100+ days a year because they were so stinking rich. The article was sickening in a totally 1980's excessive manner. I immediately stopped reading Skiing at that point as they'd totally lost my respect, not to mention any connection whatsoever.

So my reading alligience went to SKI, which at the time was a lot mellower and had a decidedly Old School tone to it that reminded me of the days when I learned to ski at Sugarbowl in the early '70s. The writing and editorial slant at that time (again this is the early-to-mid-'90s) was warm and congenial.

Strange thing happened in the '00's, though. SKI began to reflect more and more what I liked less about skiing (lush and lavish lodges, foofy clothes, and the like). The writing was still mellow, but now the slant was becoming more focused on amenities instead of actual skiing and ski bum lifestyles. It was almost as if, and forgive any slights against older skiers, SKI had become the magazine for retired skiers looking for less time on the slopes and more time in the lodge.

Meanwhile Skiing seemed to undergo an editorial shift, as well, ditching their '80s-coke-fiend-Wall-Street sleaze in favor of going for a more ski bum approach. I'll have to admit the first few issues of Skiing I read in the early '00s were a bit too much in terms of going the complete other way, focusing more on twin tip park action and big booters than just plain old skiing off-piste.

Now I find that the overall editorial vibe of Skiing is much more to my liking, as they tend to deliver the more "sleeping in the back of your truck" angle of riding the mountain than the "staying in the $500 a night lodge" angle. The snark factor of Skiing seems to have been tamed a bit, as well.

Then again this is common amongst magazines these days as they find their readership drastically changing due to the Internet. GQ aint' the same magazine it was 3 years ago, let alone 5 years ago.

So, long story short, given the slant that SKI has been on for the past few years, is anybody surprised by this list? The list reflects the core readership of that magazine, whom I believe are usually older and have families, thus amenities are a big part of the skiing adventure.

Those of us single slackers don't care so much about $45 paella on the mountain since we'd rather boil water and eat ramen thus saving that $45 for an extra day on the hill. Right?

Besides, that's why there's Skiing, Freeskier, and Powder magazines out there (each of which will offer up different resorts in their Top 10 lists which are inevitably coming in future issues).
post #70 of 82
Sun Valley? That's a resort almost never mentioned on this forum.

I've heard it's a world-class hill, with little snow. N'est pas?
post #71 of 82
Deer Valley #1. :

Been There. :

Wouldn't make my top 15.


Rest room Ranking?

Sun Valley & Snow Basin, tied for #1
post #72 of 82
The average "Ski" reader is well into middle-age, which often means an expanding bank balance to match an expanding waist-line. This market is high on creature comforts, with little appetite for extreme BC terrain.

For these folks, the list accruately reflects their desire for comfort, service, and ammenities - all at prices they're happy to pay.

For the zealots on this forum, the list means butkus, as we head for the least populated hills with deepest, steepest snow.

Some resorts on the list offer enough extreme terrain to scare anyone (extreme couloir at BlackComb). But, creature comforts are the true base-line of the SKI poll.

Sadly, as I've arrived at "middle-age", I find myself oddly attracted to puffly chairs, clean bathrooms and valet service :. A shocker. If this is where we're headed, perhaps it's time to find a Jamie Pierre cliff?
post #73 of 82
This polls is flawed!

Does the list reflect the readers' overall rating of a given resort or is it based on answers to many questions? Ski readers care most about snow and terrain, but the poll results weigh all categories equally (including dining, shopping, ski school, etc.). Because snow and terrain are only two of the dozen or more categories, they don't account for much of the total. It is the poll not the polled that loves Deer Valley.

Check the results for the categories you care about if you want to use the Ski magazine poll for anything other than ridiculing on a message board. Ridiculing the poll respondents is fun but based on ignorance of the poll's poor design.
post #74 of 82
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
For the zealots on this forum, the list means butkus, as we head for the least populated hills with deepest, steepest snow.
Take it from a member of the tribe it is bupkus!
post #75 of 82
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Take it from a member of the tribe it is bupkus!
Maybe he means that retired fooball players like these resorts.
post #76 of 82
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Originally Posted by evansilver View Post
Maybe he means that retired fooball players like these resorts.
I didn't know big Dick skied!

Maybe he meant the list didn't mean Dick.
post #77 of 82
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Originally Posted by evansilver View Post
Maybe he means that retired fooball players like these resorts.
He's more human-flesh predator than football player (a comment Dick would consider a compliment). That's one easily-annoyed man.
post #78 of 82
I interviewed Mr. Butkis once. He was a nice dude. I interviewed Sonny Barger once, too, and he was a nice dude, as well.
post #79 of 82
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I interviewed Mr. Butkis once. He was a nice dude. I interviewed Sonny Barger once, too, and he was a nice dude, as well.
Dookey67: You have an intriguing, albeit risky, job.
post #80 of 82
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Rest room Ranking?

Sun Valley & Snow Basin, tied for #1
Funny you say that, they are owed by the same folks....


Who must REALLY value a nice place to poop!

post #81 of 82
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Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
Ever been to Snowbasin? Best bathrooms ever!
Number one in the nation! Best for number two too!


genuine overheard conversation at Deer Valley;
Patron in Prada; "Do you have restrooms up here?"
Deer Valley mountain host: " Yes we do! At ten thousand feet!", pointing to a lovely little log cabin on the summit.
Prada lady: "The toliets do flush, don't they? I will only use a toilet that flushes..."

that said, Deer Valley can actually ski pretty good and it's kid's programs are the best in Utah, by far.
post #82 of 82
This, from today's "daily dosage" email (Steepand cheap):

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SKI Magazine recently listed their Top 10 Ski Resorts based on reader polls. I disagreed with almost every choice, so here's the new Top Ten Ski Resorts Where I've Skied.

10. Hyland Ski and Snowboard Area, Minnesota
This place actually sucks big time, but I needed 10 to complete the list.

9. Breckenridge, Colorado
I've never skied here, but I drove passed it in the summer. It's definitely better than Hyland Hills.

8. Marquette Mountain, Wisconsin
They get hammered with lake effect snow and no one skis in the trees because it's against the rules. Best in the Midwest.

7. Powder Mountain, Utah
This place is always empty.

6. I don't know, somewhere in Colorado. Steamboat maybe?

5. Brighton, Utah
Too many snowboarders and people with really short skis.

4. Alta, Utah
I like the easy-access traverses for powder and the 70s lodge decor. Skiers only.

3. Whistler Blackcomb; left coast, United States Lite
I can't go here anymore now that a Canadian Quarter has the same value as an American Quarter. Too bad because the resort is incredible.

2. Jackson Hole, Wyoming
Incredible terrain and long runs with a sustained, steep pitch. If only they got more snow.

1. Solitude Ski Resort, Utah
I applied for two jobs here. I turned one down since it only paid $4.75 an hour. I was turned down for the other job for reasons unexplained. I'm putting them at #1 because the resort is always empty, and I'm trying to show people I don't hold grudges.

Honorable Mention, Worst Ski Resort: Deer Valley, Utah
These bastards gave me a pass for a free lift ticket. I called the day it expired to ask if I could ski the next day and they said no. They can all go to hell.

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