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Freeride boot (Salomon Gun Pro Model) good for all mountain?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I'm a life long skier (20+ years, strong level 9), moved to Denver from the East Coast. I'm in the process of 'refreshing' my gear, and I made some purchases during the frenzied Sniagrab/Ski Rex sales this past weekend. However, I'm concerned about my boot purchase. And I can barely find any info on the boot.

My Specs: 180lbs, 5'9, stocky (tree trunks for legs), old school skier with a tendency to keep my legs very close together, love the bumps, as much as I love a high speed carving run. Big fan of tree skiing and powder runs.

My approach: try to find the best all-mountain package possible, as I can't afford a full quiver (nor top dollar on anything.)

Skis: Volkl AC40 177cm with the packaged Marker binding (tried to secure AC4s, but couldn't find the 177, so I managed to negotiate the AC40s for 3 more bills.)

Boots: 2005/6 Salomon Gun Pro Model mondo 27- I tried as many 'last year' boots as I could find. But the selection was pretty light. These boots fit very well - very consistent pressure all around my foot (uncomfortably tight for the time being but I expect the liner to pack out well - plus I can get the sole heat molded.) Ankle is locked in comfortably, toes can wiggle. So I feel the fit is right.

They're rated at 95 flex, but I'm worried that for (all) the types of skiing I like, they may not be the right choice. (Have 7 days to return...) Everything is tight, but I can flex quite a bit. I'm in my mid 30's so I don't need a race boot at this point, and I'm ok to sacrifice some performance in the bumps.

Anyone's thoughts on if it's even conceivable to have a freeride boot serve the purposes of my needs as described above? I haven't bought gear in a long time (still have my 10 year old Koflachs - yes, I know, this is well over-due.) I can't find a good description of the limitations of this boot, nor a decent description of a ''freeride" boot?

I've found 1 decent thread on this boot in the forums, but I'm wondering if there is any reason I can find very little other information on the boot. Is it a lemon? Evo has it on sale as well, but other than that... nada.

Thoughts appreciated. I've been trolling the forums that last couple days, and I'm floored by the level of expertise folks are bringing to it.
post #2 of 25
Very good boot, and a good find.
post #3 of 25
I'm a very similar build 5'-9" 190 (but should be 180), stocky with big legs. LEVEL 8-9?--I'm not sure. (Can ski most of Mammoth except TOTW). I have the previous version of that boot (1080) also rated 95 flex, and I really like it--for most of the kind of skiing you describe, it seems like the right flex--some movement fore and aft, but laterally stiff. This is with a custom footbed, but it sounds like they fit you pretty well without. After about 60 days the liners got packed out but I replaced them with zipfits, and hope to have them another few years. I should mention that I am probably more modern/two footed than you, and I like skis with some sidecut (16-18m)--you might not like the boot if you really want to be able to drive a stiff/straight ski into a carve with pressure on the tips--it will happen, but not with the responsiveness you'd get with a race boot.
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses. I guess I should not be surprised by the number (2). I guess not many folks have used the boot, and it stays consistent that it's mainly about fit.

Good news, is that when I went back to the shop on Labor Day (bought on Sunday before), they had my AC40s for $200 more than I paid...
post #5 of 25
I ski this boot also . After getting some work done with many return trips for follow ups I got them fitting well on my wide feet.I am still very happy with them. When I added custom footbeds I could really feel the edges of my skis. It was such a pronounced difference I don't know how else to describe it.
They are not a stiff boot but if you tighten them they stiffen around the top part of the ankle . I like the flex of these boots .They give me a stable footing with a good range of motion for ankle movement.
post #6 of 25

Carving with a 95 flex boot?

I have been skiing the Solomon Pro Model SC and this year the Gun (Same boot)

Some people like a stiffer boot, but I think you will like the control of these boots.

I weigh 190 to 200 pounds and I do not have issues driving a stiff ski.

186 LP's Boots Solomon Pro Model
Not powder

post #7 of 25
A few things to remember.......

Salomon flex numbers are not the same as others boots and they tend to run a little stiff when compared to other boots with similar numbers.

If they feel a touch soft now, remember it's warm.

Look at the pic in MTT's post. You can see he is skiing a wider stance. He will build bigger angles and thus place more leverage against the boot than you will with your more closed stance.

Personal preferences aside....I'd say the boot is fine for most skiers of your weight/ability level.

SJ
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone for the great feedback. Feel a lot better at my choices at this point. Now I just need it to snow...

SierraJim, I've seen a number of your posts, but haven't seen any specific posts not liking Salomon boots. I take it your personal preferences point in another direction?
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by Broohaha View Post
Thanks everyone for the great feedback. Feel a lot better at my choices at this point. Now I just need it to snow...

SierraJim, I've seen a number of your posts, but haven't seen any specific posts not liking Salomon boots. I take it your personal preferences point in another direction?
I didn't word that terribly well. What I was referring to was personal preferences regarding boot stiffness, and specifically, your preferences more than anything.

I don't dislike Salomon boots at all although in the past they have been too roomy for me, so I just don't choose to ski 'em except an occasional test. One thing about Salomon, they usually get the details right.

SJ
post #10 of 25
Make sure you check out the Lange Freeride 120's.

I skied most of the season on them as well as 7 days in Europe on every type of snow imaginable and I was super impressed with these.

They are flexible when and where you need then and I wasn't ever wishing for a stiffer or flexier boot at any time.

for sure !
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
Marmot, thanks for the advice, but Lange has been out of bounds for me... I've always wanted a pair (even back to the screaming yellow Tii's), but I have a pretty wide foot. Going back to Sierra Jim, this is probably why the Gun is such a good fit for me. Lots of room from my quad Es.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Broohaha View Post
Marmot, thanks for the advice, but Lange has been out of bounds for me... I've always wanted a pair (even back to the screaming yellow Tii's), but I have a pretty wide foot. Going back to Sierra Jim, this is probably why the Gun is such a good fit for me. Lots of room from my quad Es.
I have a 103mm wide forefoot and went boot shopping last year for my perfect - no sale, no discount boot. I'm now in a Lange.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by Broohaha View Post
Marmot, thanks for the advice, but Lange has been out of bounds for me... I've always wanted a pair (even back to the screaming yellow Tii's), but I have a pretty wide foot. Going back to Sierra Jim, this is probably why the Gun is such a good fit for me. Lots of room from my quad Es.
The New Freerides fit alot different than the "Lange's of old" don't count them out until you put a pair on your feet.

My Freeride 120's felt very snug and tight when I first had them but after 4-5 days they comformed nicely and are now just perfect after yet another 15 days or so on them.
post #14 of 25

Sorry for bringing this topic back to life, but I figured that was better than creating a new one.

 

I have a question: I'm considering the two boots below, and the Mach 1 is a "regular" all-mountain boot, but the Cochise is a freeride/all-mountain boot.

https://www.bever.nl/tecnica-mach1-110-mv-skischoen-pabbd52006?id_colour=4168 - Regular all-mountain, retail price €360 (paid €216)
https://www.bever.nl/tecnica-cochise-110-skischoen-pabbd60007?id_colour=2218 - Freeride/all-mountain, retail price €400 (paid €240).

Most people say there's no difference between all-mountain and freeride boots, it's only marketing. However, Cochise's description does mentions quite a few extra features (light material, less sensitive to temperature changes, easy to replace the soles for hiking, shock absorption, etc), so I do think they have quite a few differences.

 

But then, my question is: if the downhill performance is the same... then is the freeride boot simply "better" (as it has more features, but same performance)? Is its downhill performance somehow different?

 

 

 

A few premises:

1) Yes, I'm well aware that fit is by far the most important thing. But I'm just wondering, in case both have a good fit (assuming both would fit the same, for example), whether the freeride one would be a better choice. But also my question is not about fit, but rather about boots features.

2) I do know that the best thing is to visit a boot fitter, but I live in the Netherlands and it's not really feasible for me here. I did go to the ski specialized shop in my city, however I'm not sure I'd trust their advice much. I've also tried on multiple different pairs.

3) I do not usually hit the park or do any touring (mainly carving, bumps and some powder), so an all-mountain boot is fine. However, I do like the extra features of the freeride boots, so I'd gladly take them if that didn't impact their downhill performance.

4) I know there are thousands of topics about this, not only here on EpicSki but all around the internet, but couldn't find a convincing answer. If they really are "exactly the same, the name is just maketing", then how could you explain all the extra features?

5) I'm 6'1", 180lbs (1,85m, 81kg), "intermediate-advancing" level.

6) I've already purchased both boots to try them at home; then I'll return 1 pair or both, depending on how they fit.

7) Any experiences you may have with any of these boots is very welcome! But most reviews I read were quite good.

 



Thanks a lot in advance!

post #15 of 25
The Cochise is lighter, but it will be slightly softer, and it has a walk mode hinge in it. For some people, the downhill performance will be quite difference because they'll be able to tell the difference between the two boots.


The "all the same" doesn't really apply to two boots within the same brand that have different features, it's more appropriate for when two different brands have boots with similar features but market them differently.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by FlyingFish View Post

The Cochise is lighter, but it will be slightly softer, and it has a walk mode hinge in it. For some people, the downhill performance will be quite difference because they'll be able to tell the difference between the two boots.


The "all the same" doesn't really apply to two boots within the same brand that have different features, it's more appropriate for when two different brands have boots with similar features but market them differently.


Great! That makes sense indeed.

I'll just try them on tonight and see, and will keep that in mind, thanks a lot!

post #17 of 25

So what I was afraid of may actually turn out to be true: the freeride boots do fit very nicely (the all-mountain ones might be a bit too tight). I did a shell fit and I think the gap behind my heel was about 1,6cm (0,63"), which is just ideal I guess. They do feel quite soft on the ankle flex, but then again, so do the all-mountain ones (it's similar to the feeling I had with Rossi boots, at the shop they just feel very flexible, more than my Head with flex 80 for example).

I'll try them on again tomorrow, come to the shop the shop and talk to the expert (or whatever dude happens to be in charge of the wintersport sale section tomorrow), but I'm still wondering how much downhill performance I'd be giving up on with freeride boots...

post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by GustavoTheGaper View Post
 

but I'm still wondering how much downhill performance I'd be giving up on with freeride boots...

Unless you only weigh about 110 pounds, you're already giving up significant performance by using 80 flex boots.  I weigh 150 pounds and ski in Head Hammer 110 boots.

post #19 of 25

As @mtcyclist said, 80 flex boots is too soft for most folk to extract good downhill performance.  110 flex is ok, but still too low for serious high performanc skiing at my weight (160 lbs).

 

That being said, the "freeride" features are worth it if you do a lot of jumps in the park, or land a lot of air elsewhere.  Otherwise, your better off with the regular down hill version.

 

My opinion is based on limited experience with different boots, some with soft foot beds and lower flex ratings, some ultra stiff and hard.

post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

 

110 flex is ok, but still too low for serious high performanc skiing at my weight (160 lbs).

It really depends on whose 110 flex it is.  A Salomon 110 is too soft for me and the Head 110 is almost too stiff.  But any 80 flex boot is too soft for someone who weighs 180 pounds. 

post #21 of 25
Makes sense, but I bought these with flex 80 when I was a beginner, hence the low flex, and hence why I'm considering new boots.

I'm still not so advanced, so I wasn't sure if getting a very high flex (110) would be the best option right now.

And yes, if I had two pairs of perfect fitting boots, one all-mountain and one freeride, I would for sure go for the all-mountain one, just in case. The problem is that so far the freeride one may be the best fit I've tried hehe.

But I'll try them on today again, go to the shop and see what we can do.

Thanks a lot again for all the replies so far!
post #22 of 25
So today I went to another store, tried on several more boots, and ended up buying a pair of Fischer Progressor Hybrid X11+.
They fit VERY nicely, I did a shell fit and I think the gap was less than 1,5cm, the flex is what I want, it was quite cheap, €200 (retail price is €400)... Thus perfect.

I haven't gotten them heated yet. And now that I'm trying them at home, I've found one point of concern: the top buckle can already be tightened all the way up. Does that mean it's too loose?
I've tightned the boots up as much as physically possible and this is how it is (pic below). This is actually tighter than I'd use while skiing, it's a bit painful, but just so you have an idea (and then again, I know the liner will "open up" after some days of use).

Anyway, my concern is: is this top buckle a huge issue, and is there any other way to make it tighter? For instance, get a fitter to drill an extra hole so I can move the buckle a bit further.

Otherwise they're perfectly fitting, it'd be a waste.

Sorry for the amount of messages hehe, and thanks a lot once again!


(As I type this message I can feel the blood circulation in my foot slowly fading away...)
post #23 of 25

There are three parts to boot fit:  length, width and volume.  Your foot may be lower volume than the boot is designed for.  Also, a decent fitter or even not exactly a fitter should be able to move the ladder so it will buckle tighter.

post #24 of 25

Also know that a boot fitter can expand one area of a boot that is too tight without needing to expand the whole boot.  For example if you have a narrow heel and ankle, but a wide ball of foot. You don't need to get a boot with a wide ankle and heel just because you have a wide forefoot.  What you need is a good boot fitter who knows what he's doing and what will work for you, not just try on a bunch of boots.

post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by GustavoTheGaper View Post



(As I type this message I can feel the blood circulation in my foot slowly fading away...)

Don't do that!

 

It is uncomfortable.

 

One can not ski at their best if they are uncomfortable.

 

Strive for comfort!  But do not forsake fit!

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