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VIST speedlock plates effecting ski qualities?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hi guys -

Considering putting a pair of Speedlock TT plates on a pair of 189 06/07 Seths and Scott P4s for this season - just wondering if putting a stiff plate on the skis will effect them negatively? I can imagine reinforcing the middle of a long plank with a chunk of extra metal might do weird things...

I did have a search about Speedlock plates, couldn't find anything about them effecting softer skis characteristics though.

Cheers all -

Dave
post #2 of 14
TT plates are not stiff (and they are mostly a plastic/ resin) they are designed to complement a softer/ free ride ski. I have them on my Rotors and my DP Pros. They provide some additional dampening (not really required but a bonus on hard crud/ variable conditions/ high speeds). The other advantage is that the 14mm plate height gives you significant extra leverage when edging a fatter ski.

You can also change the fore/ aft of the binding ie forward for park/ hard snow skiing or on the mounting guide for powder/ general skiing. Although to be honest as I never ski park I never really move mine. I did experiment with it on really hard snow last season and it did make an appreciable difference but again not something that I would stop and do when skiing about.

The last advantage is that you can use the excellent 6-14 or 8-16 (or 10-18 of you really need it) binding and only need one set of bindings as you can move them between skis as required in a minute or less.

http://www.vist.it/prodotti.dhtml?sr=19 - the use is listed on the page and unlike a lot of advertising it is quite accurate. I had Titan Nines in 188cm with flat mounted Markers and I find that I can ski my 193cm DP Pros more easily and I think that quite a lot of it is due to having the plate on the ski. I would not ski an all mountain ski without a plate again - especially as I do not go near the park (well other than to watch people crash, does that make me a bad person?).

Give them a go I am sure that you will be happy and impressed at your excellent decision.
post #3 of 14
http://www.vermontskisafety.com/vsrfaq8.php

Look at this link - http://www.vermontskisafety.com/vsrfaq8.php

Especially the partthat says Thick Lifters with Soft Skis. This has been a huge problem for me on my VIST X-Free skis. I'm thinking about replacing my plate with a stiffer one as I love the skis. Right now they are in retirement because I'm tired of wrecking in them. Both of your skis are very soft (at least I think the P4s are soft). I think you'd have a huge problem if you skied the softer Speedlock plates on those skis.
post #4 of 14
"Thick Lifters And Soft Skis -- But the problem could also be complicated by excessively thick lifters under the binding or a ski that is very soft under foot. If you feel you need lifters, you should consider binding models with a lifter function built-in, and if you are partial to really soft skis, your best bet may be a binding model with a band or bridge connecting toe and heel piece, designed to allow either toe or heel to float with respect to the ski. These free flexing models make flex/counter-flex much easier for the heel piece to handle."

The TT plate allows the flex, I have not had a problem on any of my softer skis although 'soft' and 'Stockli' are not really used in the same sentence very often.

I am surprised at the X-Frees - I gave them a go in 182cm and felt that they rivalled the performance of my 179 Rotors. I thought they skied really well.
post #5 of 14
They ski great. I've been very suprised by your positive reviews of VIST Speedlock product and I think the difference is that your Stocklis are stiffer than my VISTs. Those things were trying to hurt me last year.
post #6 of 14
I would strongly recommend against using a Vist plate on Seths or P4's. you can get two good pairs of appropriate bindings for what you will spend on a speedlock setup. The lift will ruin the way those skis perform, if you want to rail turns buy something made for that, if you want a surfy feeling twintip you're on the right track...don't screw it up with an inappropriate plate.
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I'm pretty turned off the idea between here and TGR, especially when two sets of regular bindings will work out cheaper.

Any recommended bindings to go for?
post #8 of 14
I was toying with the same idea, I already have one set of bindings with Vist plates. I was also advised against it.
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
They ski great. I've been very suprised by your positive reviews of VIST Speedlock product and I think the difference is that your Stocklis are stiffer than my VISTs. Those things were trying to hurt me last year.
epic, I'd be grateful if you could tell me exactly what was happening with your X-Free's & what the binding set-up was.
post #10 of 14
Well, the problem I had was skis coming off in the elly of the turn. Usually the outside ski. I'd be standing there and see my ski cruising along next to me. The heel was usually still closed which made me think I was sliding out at the toe, but if I had, I would have expected the ski to be tumbling away (and I probably would have wrecked too instead of continuing along on the other ski). This would usualy happen at higher speeds on hardpack and could happen at lower speeds on softer snow. The skis are the X-Free with matching plate and binding. They were setup by Whiteroom, so I trust that forward pressure and so on was correct. I upped the DIN myself, but it didn't mae any difference.
post #11 of 14
epic, thanks for the reply. I'd like to ask the VIST factory their opinion if you don't mind.

Do you know which model Speedlock plate you have? My VIST info states the X-Free is shipped with the TT plate but this is not always the case. The TT model has two seperate plates for toe & heel connected by two freefloating metal rods.

The various models are listed here:
http://www.jonsskituning.co.uk/compo...d,31/Itemid,1/

Also, what's the DIN range of the bindings you have?
post #12 of 14
It is a speedlock TT plate.
post #13 of 14
Yep, Speedlock TT 4-12 DIN range.
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Well, the problem I had was skis coming off in the elly of the turn. Usually the outside ski. I'd be standing there and see my ski cruising along next to me. The heel was usually still closed which made me think I was sliding out at the toe, but if I had, I would have expected the ski to be tumbling away (and I probably would have wrecked too instead of continuing along on the other ski). This would usually happen at higher speeds on hardpack and could happen at lower speeds on softer snow. The skis are the X-Free with matching plate and binding. They were setup by Whiteroom, so I trust that forward pressure and so on was correct. I upped the DIN myself, but it didn't mae any difference.
That is really strange I can see why you made your recommendation now. I have had no problems with TT plates/ 6-14 bindings on four different sized (3 different types) skis. I have had some monumental crashes (through my own stupidity - 'I wonder what would happen if I try to......' situations) where I have tumbled or forward flipped and skied out of the crash. I have had minor and big crashes where as soon as my foot/ leg started to twist I was straight out of the binding. I have never had an unwanted binding release (unlike some friends in similar terrain with different equipment). I am, as you have noted, very happy with the bindings and would not ski without a plate as I like the extra leverage I get.

I did once set up the binding in a hurry and inadvertantly placed the heel piece in at 320-339 mm rather than 300-319mm but it didn't sound right when I stepped in and luckily I realised my mistake before I skied off (and into trouble probably). I now physically check the binding with my boot off everytime I do a ski swap and double check the toe pressure stud/ screw as well (even though it should not change). I am sure that you have already discounted this possibility.

Spyderjon or Lou are the ones to speak to VIST and hopefully resolve the situation. I am interested in the feedback and what they think the solution is as I am the POC for my area during the winter.
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