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Jackson Hole vs Everywhere

post #1 of 50
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My cousin and I have been talking about a possible destination for our annual ski getaway during our spring break week. Last year we went to Jackson Hole, and being from the East Coast of course had the trip of our lives. We began talking about a new destination for this year, alta/snowbird , mt baker, big sky, whistler/blackcomb, kicking horse..etc. Then he said something that seemed to make so much sense, "do you want to just go to Jackson again?". After about three seconds I said yes, and we now have our 08 trip planned.

I know we should probably branch out and try some other western ski areas (JH was our first) but after the experience we had it's real difficult.

So what do you think? How does Jackson compare to the rest?
post #2 of 50
It's where I'd go.
post #3 of 50
Where else have you been?

JH is excellent, but how can you not try out the immense terrain of Whistler, the fine steeps and fantastic snow of Alta/Snowbird (and Snowbasin/Powder Mountain), or the fantastic views and variability of Lake Tahoe, or the whole I-70 grouping in CO (and so on, and so on, and so on).
post #4 of 50
Whistler kicks JH's ass.
post #5 of 50
If you're happy with last years trip then go again.

I'd be tempted to try someplace new. I've never been to Whistler so it would be first on my list, but it sounds like you've made the decision already.
post #6 of 50
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Whistler is so tempting....but because of budgetary reasons we may wait untill the american dollar (hopefully) gets stronger, so we get better bang for our buck
post #7 of 50
I'm always surprised to see Baker end up on a list of possible destimations, especially compared to JH, Altabird and Whistler.

Myself, I'd pick Chamonix ... but JH is worth more than one trip.
post #8 of 50
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Originally Posted by BostonSki View Post
Whistler is so tempting....but because of budgetary reasons we may wait untill the american dollar (hopefully) gets stronger, so we get better bang for our buck
I hear yah. Last time I skied Whistler the American dollar was $.65 American for every $1 Canadian.

You have to ski Alta and Snowbird sometime in your life time. That is a must. If you ski Snowbird get there early, wait in line to get on the TRAM. You will be glad you did.

I also like Powder mountain especially on a Saturday. and they got some new lifts recently.

We have flown into Salt Lake City, skied Snowbird, Alta, and Powder, and then jumped on the shuttle bus to Jackson Hole to ski JH for 7 days, and then flown home from Jackson Hole airport.

If you fly to Salt Lake City and you drive a rental car to JH from Salt Lake City, you can drive North to Ogden. Stay at a hotel in Ogden. Next day ski Powder Mountain until about 2pm and then drive north to JH.

As you can see I am also hooked on JH. I like skiing other places but I still keep going back to JH for some reason.

BTW, last time at JH we found the Rendezvous Bistro, which I highly recommend.
post #9 of 50
The real fatal flaw of this plan is booking a ski trip in august before you know who's going to have the goods this winter.....
post #10 of 50
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Originally Posted by BostonSki View Post
My cousin and I have been talking about a possible destination for our annual ski getaway during our spring break week. Last year we went to Jackson Hole, and being from the East Coast of course had the trip of our lives. We began talking about a new destination for this year, alta/snowbird , mt baker, big sky, whistler/blackcomb, kicking horse..etc. Then he said something that seemed to make so much sense, "do you want to just go to Jackson again?". After about three seconds I said yes, and we now have our 08 trip planned.

I know we should probably branch out and try some other western ski areas (JH was our first) but after the experience we had it's real difficult.

So what do you think? How does Jackson compare to the rest?


I truly understand your thoughts. My first trip was to Utah and I don't we could have had a better trip....anywhere.

I really, really want to go to Tahoe (Squaw, Sugarbowl, Alpine Meadows, Kirkwood) but, when you consider Utah's weather, fantastic snow condition and vast views of mountainside, I want to go back to Utah.

IMO, every skier owe's it to themselves to go Utah once. Absolutly phenominal. And I ain't joking!

That being said, I want to go to Jackson Hole, too.:
Decisions, decisions.
post #11 of 50
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
The real fatal flaw of this plan is booking a ski trip in august before you know who's going to have the goods this winter.....
Exactly, follow the snow. I'll never understand why people commit so many $$$$$ before the season's snow patterns have developed.
post #12 of 50
SQUAW VALLEY < CA

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But I agree with Lonnie - wait and see who has snow
post #13 of 50
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Originally Posted by BostonSki View Post
I know we should probably branch out and try some other western ski areas (JH was our first) but after the experience we had it's real difficult.

So what do you think? How does Jackson compare to the rest?
Pretty darn well?

It's really a difficult question. I think it's just about the greatest hill in the US if the conditions are good (which they apparently must have been when you were here last). The problem is, we tend to be more "inconsistent" than a lot of other ski resorts due to our low base elevation, our high top elevation, our mountain orientation (east-to-southeast), and our wide range of temperatures.

I have often said that when you're here and the skiing is really good, it's so good it can almost make you cry. When it's bad, on the other hand, it's so bad you can only laugh. As long as you understand that before you book a trip, you'll be fine.

If you have the luxury of waiting until shortly before your visit (and I fully understand that not everyone has that luxury), then do what Lonnie and others suggest and wait to see who has the best conditions. There are so many great ski resorts in North America that you really owe it to yourself to sample some of the others.

Or... you can do what I do. I keep occasionally visiting other ski resorts wondering if I'll find one that I would rather ski day-in/day-out, all through a season.

So far, I haven't found one. :
post #14 of 50
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Originally Posted by BostonSki View Post
Whistler is so tempting....but because of budgetary reasons we may wait untill the american dollar (hopefully) gets stronger, so we get better bang for our buck
With the business I'm in, I meet people who come here for the first time ever on a daily basis. Even though they've travelled to other areas extensively, they've mentioned to me that they're glad they didn't balk at the whole "less value" misconception, because they felt it would have been just a bonus when the exchange was more favourable anyway. One person even said that they'll still come back even if it costs 2 US dollars for every 1 Canadian.
http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/mou...maps/index.htm
click on "compare acreage", then "Jackson Hole" at the bottom. Gives you an idea what you're dealing with.
I know everyone likes to think the place they live is the cat's ass, but I'm just going from feedback I hear from well-travelled international tourists.
post #15 of 50
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Originally Posted by BostonSki View Post
Whistler is so tempting....but because of budgetary reasons we may wait untill the american dollar (hopefully) gets stronger, so we get better bang for our buck
And when will that be? 2 year, 5, 10? Do you really want to wait? Fly into Seattle and drive up and the airfare will be much cheaper - probably on par, or less than flying into Jackson. I've done both, and continue to go back to Whistler multiple times/year (that's a hint). Note however that, yes, the weather SUCKS sometimes for extended periods.

"Exactly, follow the snow. I'll never understand why people commit so many $$$$$ before the season's snow patterns have developed."

Simple - I already have Dec, Jan, Feb, March and May ski trips booked (2 Whistler, 2 Utah, 1- CO) and did so with points and miles packages that are now gone - in some cases because I got them first. Earlier booked - more trips.

What's a "snow pattern" anyway? I had dudes on Gaperzone dis me because I was in CO when the Valentines day dump came in the East. Sure, I was jealous (not).
post #16 of 50
Spring break at Whistler ?...Three years ago we got two meters in a week in the last week of April, two years ago we were in West Cirque/west bowl saying how good the skiing was - not just for May - but for any time of the season...and last year, 30 nasty pow days by Jan 12 and a three meter base for me and the only other guy on Blackcomb glacier in late May.
post #17 of 50
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Originally Posted by catskills View Post
I hear yah. Last time I skied Whistler the American dollar was $.65 American for every $1 Canadian.

You have to ski Alta and Snowbird sometime in your life time. That is a must. If you ski Snowbird get there early, wait in line to get on the TRAM. You will be glad you did.

I also like Powder mountain especially on a Saturday. and they got some new lifts recently.

We have flown into Salt Lake City, skied Snowbird, Alta, and Powder, and then jumped on the shuttle bus to Jackson Hole to ski JH for 7 days, and then flown home from Jackson Hole airport.

If you fly to Salt Lake City and you drive a rental car to JH from Salt Lake City, you can drive North to Ogden. Stay at a hotel in Ogden. Next day ski Powder Mountain until about 2pm and then drive north to JH.

As you can see I am also hooked on JH. I like skiing other places but I still keep going back to JH for some reason.

BTW, last time at JH we found the Rendezvous Bistro, which I highly recommend.
What also adds for Utah is it can ad an extra day of skiing with flight plans. We looked a Whistler last year just the length of time and buses ect to get there, were a big strike one against it. Don't get me wrong, we WILL get there, but it will be a 10-14 day trip.

Jackson might be next years trip, my wife has been dying to get there.
post #18 of 50
Going back to Jackson Hole/Targhee? -- terrific choice!
Going to Alta/Snowbird? -- terrific choice!
Going to Lake Louise/Kicking Horse? -- terrific choice!
Going to Vail? -- terrific choice!
Going to Whistler? -- terrific choice!
Going to Tahoe? -- terrific choice!

I could keep going, but I think you get the picture.
No matter where you go, it all depends on what kind of weather you hit.
Any one of these can be fantastic or terrible.
Personally, in January/February I'd narrow it down to JH/Targhee or Alta/Bird, because in those months my experience (FWIW) is they'd give you the best chance at big dumps of powder -- assuming that's what you want.
In March, I'd opt for Whistler -- not for powder (although there's always a chance) but for great skiing in great weather (tho it might rain).

I think you've had some good advice here in terms of waiting as long as possible to commit to a place (if you can, unfortunately I don't have that luxury and my February flight is already booked).

Wherever you go, hope you get the best of it.
post #19 of 50
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Originally Posted by Beric in Whistler View Post
click on "compare acreage", then "Jackson Hole" at the bottom. Gives you an idea what you're dealing with.
I know everyone likes to think the place they live is the cat's ass, but I'm just going from feedback I hear from well-travelled international tourists.
Compare the acreage (inbounds) of Jackson compared to Vail.... or Heavenly...

Are those two places better than Jackson?

I guess it depends on who these "well traveled international tourists" are...

post #20 of 50
well my first trip out west was about 4 years ago to Whistler and I was simply blown away. i had no words to describe the big mountain experience plus the incredible atmosphere and nightlife that never ends. on the other hand, and i cant stress this enough, you have to FOLLOW THE SNOW, especially given Whistler's high unpredictability. case in point, the next year i went right back to a slush fest where it rained almost the entire week i was there. luckily ur up high enough where the climate changes a bit from rain to sleet to snow but even still, kinda drab.

Vail the following spring was absolutely incredible. Loved it so much that hey, went back again two years later except this time the conditions were primo (it was this last spring that denver got struck with that monster blizzard. backcountry in the trees out past blue sky basin is heaven)...and you wont believe how freakin huge the mountain is...even coming off of a Whistler/Blackcomb high i was stunned by the enormity of the place. as was afoementioned, the whole I-70 strip is a GREAT destination for a group of friends. Me and two other guys got a ski-in/out condo right at breck + lift tickets & rentals for 4 days and it only cost a combined total of $1200. Not only that but those lift tickets allow you to also ski at Vail, Copper, & Beaver Creek if you're up for driving an hour or two. Basically its an incredible package plus the nightlife is also outstanding; we actually met Tiger Woods while eating at Vail Village and yes, he is a skier


Jackson Hole was the last trip i took in March. Despite the snow conditions being so-so, it was undoubtedely some of the best skiing of my life, see INCREDIBLE TERRAIN. Apres ski was pretty abismal but that just gave me another reason to ski sunup to sundown, not to mention the buffalo ribeye @ gunbarrel :. Ultimately for challenge i'd choose JH or Whistler and snow condition and trees @ Vail.

I think the next stop for me is either Snowbird/Alta or Squaw. I figure i'll head back to JH once the new tram opens up. Ultimately all your choices are gravy~!
post #21 of 50
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
What also adds for Utah is it can ad an extra day of skiing with flight plans. We looked a Whistler last year just the length of time and buses ect to get there, were a big strike one against it. Don't get me wrong, we WILL get there, but it will be a 10-14 day trip.
Make it Two extra days in Utah. Take an early flight and get to SLC at about 9:30 (and get a free Quick Start lift ticket if it's not high season), and be on the hill by 10:30, then take a late flight (5:30) on the way home, and get off the hill at 2:30.

You don't need 10-14 days for Whistler. It's only 2 hours from the Vancouver airport, and if you take an early flight out, you can be there by mid afternoon.
post #22 of 50
Positvie

Jackson Hole has some of the best(if not the best terrain) inbounds terrain I have seen, throw in the out of bounds and you have the best freeride spot in North America.

Jackson town is sweet little town, to bad rent there is like 800 a month.

Negative -

Short season ends in april early april

last year when the intermountain west was not getting good snow jackson was alot thinner than alta/bird due to their lower elevation and southern exposure. snowbird has better snow, but really cant match jackson's terrain.
post #23 of 50
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Originally Posted by Beric in Whistler View Post
One person even said that they'll still come back even if it costs 2 US dollars for every 1 Canadian.

click on "compare acreage", then "Jackson Hole" at the bottom. Gives you an idea what you're dealing with.

I hear from well-travelled international tourists.
I hear from skiers that they would not go back. If I have a choice to travel in N America, Whistler would be down the list a ways. Tourists like Whistler, but many a skier that I have spoken to prefer Red and Ferrnie.

The acreage at Jackson Hole is in your face, full - on skiing. It's not as big as Whistler/Blackcomb but the mountain is huge from a skiing stand point.

It rains at Whistler, especially at lower elevations. People tend to head towards the top and ski the lighter stuff. That's where Blackcomb shines. The snow is denser near the coast and the cloud cover leaves the light flat. The lower half is an excellent run out, but run out none the less. Many ski it to get to the bottom, once a day.

Jackson Hole skis top to bottom and the terrain is fantastic. It's a skiers mountain and the night life is weak compared to Whistler. They go to bed early
post #24 of 50
Probably just bad luck, but in the three times I've been at JH, a week each trip, we've seen exactly one day of new powder, and a whole lotta ice and stiff crud.

Whistler, OTOH, I've been to twice, a week each, amazing snow the first time, decent last Feb. Again, must be luck, because they have more issues with temperature than JH. Go figure.

Point being, the quality of a destination isn't just its vertical or acreage, but the reliability of its snow. That's why my fav is Snowbird/Alta.
post #25 of 50
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Point being, the quality of a destination isn't just its vertical or acreage, but the reliability of its snow. That's why my fav is Snowbird/Alta.
True, follow the snow.

I'd like to hit Taos, but it's gotta have snow.
post #26 of 50
Jackson Hole and Alta/Snowbird/Snowbasin hard to go wrong.
post #27 of 50
I teach @ alta and when I ski for "fun" I go to Jackson.
post #28 of 50
Lonnie, did you mean that Alta/Snowbird are less fun than the JHMR??
post #29 of 50
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Lonnie, did you mean that Alta/Snowbird are less fun than the JHMR??
No, but if you ate chocolate cake everyday for lunch and dinner and somebody offered you a slice of blueberry pie, you'd take the pie!!!

I think there are a lot of JH instructors that come south for the same reasons.....
post #30 of 50
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
I hear from skiers that they would not go back. If I have a choice to travel in N America, Whistler would be down the list a ways. Tourists like Whistler, but many a skier that I have spoken to prefer Red and Ferrnie.

The acreage at Jackson Hole is in your face, full - on skiing. It's not as big as Whistler/Blackcomb but the mountain is huge from a skiing stand point.

It rains at Whistler, especially at lower elevations. People tend to head towards the top and ski the lighter stuff. That's where Blackcomb shines. The snow is denser near the coast and the cloud cover leaves the light flat. The lower half is an excellent run out, but run out none the less. Many ski it to get to the bottom, once a day.

Jackson Hole skis top to bottom and the terrain is fantastic. It's a skiers mountain and the night life is weak compared to Whistler. They go to bed early
TRUE THAT! :


There is no better terrain or better top to bottom skiing than JH. Nor shall there ever be. Red is way up there on my list too because the glades are so amazing but the terrain is not nearly as good as W/B. I gotta get to Fernie soon too. :
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