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Volkl Ac-3, Salomon XWing Blast, K2 Apache Recon or Rossi B2?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hi, I've been lurking here for a while and reading as much as I can--now I have a question.

Here it is: I purchased a pair of Salomon XWing Waves at REI for $319. If necessary I can return them and get my $ back. I've been thinking of getting Volkl AC-3's instead (and have also been recommended the K2 Recons and Rossi B2's), but the cheapest AC-3's I can find are $799. Is the AC-3 that much better of a ski? I'm looking for a 1-quiver all-mountain ski (about 60/40 piste/off-piste).

Relevant Details:
- Height: 6', Weight: 165 lbs
- Level: high 7 or 8.
- I know boots are more important and will get those expertly fitted.
- I want to buy skis now because the deals are best.
- I've never owned skis before.
- I plan to ski about 20-30 days this year.
- Will be skiing at Vail, Breck and Copper.

Any suggestions are welcome; thanks!
post #2 of 12
Normally I'd be pushing the Recons, but since you've never owned skis before, I hesitate. (I'm kind of surprised you've never owned skis before if you're a 7 or 8 skier?) The Recons need to be DRIVEN and many people hate them because they are very damp. I think you need to demo these skis back to back on the same day, same conditions. The AC3 I would expect to have more pop than the Recon and I think the B3 is similar to the Recon, but maybe a bit easier ski based on the time I skied the B3.

I personally LIKE a damp ski because it just plows through crud and doesn't skitter all over the place on death cookies. But some people like a more lively ski.
post #3 of 12

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Poindexter, Welcome to Epic hope you post often and have a great winter. I have to agree with Sibhusky, demo all 4 pair. People will recommend one or the other, however thats what they like. No one ski's like you do, and no one has the skiing indiosycracies that you do, no one has the likes and dislikes that you have.

You will actually save money if you wait and demo all 4 pairs and maybe some others too. All you have to do is buy the wrong ski's and there goes any early season savings you may have made. If you're concernd with $ (ski's are very high now), demo. and then buy the ski you like that is used. Ski's are a lot like cars once they're not brand new the price goes down.

This is really the only way to know what you're getting. Been there. Good luck and again welcome! :
post #4 of 12
Level = high 7 to 8 but you've never owned skis??? Something does not compute here. How many overall days do you have on the hill in what I have to assume has been rental gear???

The X-wing wave is not a ski for a level 7-8 skier. About L-5-6 is tops. Among the skis you mention.....the B2 is a no brainer. I feel it's appropriate for a skier from L-5 to L-7 or even L-8 if the skier is light weight or is a finesse type skier.

SJ
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks all for the tips so far; I'm thinking demoing is likely the way to go now... It's just hard to pass up what looks like a great bargain.

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Level = high 7 to 8 but you've never owned skis??? Something does not compute here. How many overall days do you have on the hill in what I have to assume has been rental gear???

The X-wing wave is not a ski for a level 7-8 skier. About L-5-6 is tops. Among the skis you mention.....the B2 is a no brainer. I feel it's appropriate for a skier from L-5 to L-7 or even L-8 if the skier is light weight or is a finesse type skier.

SJ
A week or two every year on rentals/demos. I don't have tons of experience, but skiing came very naturally to me. Maybe I don't understand the levels correctly; I'm comfortable on most blacks and like to ski off piste fairly regularly. Reading about the levels I thought I was L7 or 8. If I'm a different level so be it.
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by Poindexter View Post
...I purchased a pair of Salomon XWing Waves at REI for $319. If necessary I can return them and get my $ back. I've been thinking of getting Volkl AC-3's instead (and have also been recommended the K2 Recons and Rossi B2's), but the cheapest AC-3's I can find are $799.
I spy you are from Denver. I would suggest you return the sticks to REI post haste and once you target what you want, exhaust all the local labor day sales of Sniagrab (Sports Auth.), Ski Rex (CO Ski and Golf) and upcoming Ski Expo (everybody down at the convention center). All will have racks of sticks with layers of markdown prices on each.
post #7 of 12
I'm surprised nobody has said:

get fitted for boots first.

then demo

then buy some skis.

I've noticed a lot of new members rushing out to buy skis they've never tried because they're on sale and they don't want to pass up a good deal.

Ski deals are always to be found.

Right now shops are doing their end-of-summer/pre-season blow-outs to clean out any remaining old gear in preparation for the incoming new gear.

They will most likely have start-of-season sales around October/November and then intermittent sales from there on out (Thanksgiving, Xmas, Prez Day, and so on).

The bottomline is that there will always be deals to be found. So don't fret now. Get the boots first, then make a list, demo, and go from there. You'll end up being safer and more happier with your eventual purchase. Impulse buys rarely end up being proper (though there are those rare occasions).

post #8 of 12
Forget all the good advice given here. Just enjoy the skis you have purchased and ski the crap out of them not worrying if you should have bought some different skis instead.
post #9 of 12
Poindexter, everyone here has made a good point. The real question is what you're trying to get out of the skis and whether or not you'll be able to tell the differences between skis.

So you know, Ski & Golf and Christy Sports will have demo days in the middle of November at Loveland. Many Bears usually show up for them, and you'd be very welcome to meet a few of us there...
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
Poindexter, everyone here has made a good point. The real question is what you're trying to get out of the skis and whether or not you'll be able to tell the differences between skis.

So you know, Ski & Golf and Christy Sports will have demo days in the middle of November at Loveland. Many Bears usually show up for them, and you'd be very welcome to meet a few of us there...
That sounds great--I don't know exactly if I'd be able to tell the difference yet, but I do plan on skiing as much as a possible can this winter and beyond and hope that my skills will continue to develop. I'd love to come out to Loveland in November and will pay close attention on this site for further details as the time draws nearer.

I'm also thinking Lars has a good point--if I analyze things too much I may never fully enjoy what I actually have.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Poindexter View Post
That sounds great--I don't know exactly if I'd be able to tell the difference yet, but I do plan on skiing as much as a possible can this winter and beyond and hope that my skills will continue to develop. I'd love to come out to Loveland in November and will pay close attention on this site for further details as the time draws nearer.

I'm also thinking Lars has a good point--if I analyze things too much I may never fully enjoy what I actually have.
Analysis can certainly lead to paralysis. Of course, some of us weird people enjoy it, anyway...

It's also fun to play on all the new gear... :

BTW, it's also a great time to meet some Bears and find some friends to ski with when you want to get up over the season...
post #12 of 12
I currently ski the recons...they definitely need to be driven. Thus said, I have demoed the AC3's and found them to have a little bit more pop, and found the B2 to be a more lively quick turning ski, where as the recons/AC3's are for longer turners.....

that said I would recommend the B2 for you at your current ability.
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