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Poll Results: Do You Find Warren Miller Movies Boring?

 
  • 29% (25)
    Hail no! You're totally crazy! They're great!
  • 28% (24)
    Hell yeah! I agree. They suck potatoes!
  • 40% (34)
    I don't feel strongly about it one way or another
  • 2% (2)
    Warren who?
85 Total Votes  
post #61 of 89

3 years ago was about when I started watching them again.  I think I quit after Fifty....so 98 or 99?

post #62 of 89

Different product after Warren went in to semi retirement not really directing them, even worse after they just reused his voice clips.  Still great skiing with some good tunes.  Just not as cool as they used to be


Edited by crgildart - 11/4/10 at 3:47pm
post #63 of 89

I agree.  I'll probably go this year.  But, I boycotted last year because of the lawsuit.  Now that Warren's won, I'll probably go, but only because it benefits our ski team.  Really not the same without him.

post #64 of 89

I thought WME won the lawsuit?

post #65 of 89

Warren is allowed to be Warren.  He's allowed to talk in films. 

 

 

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A Colorado arbitration panel denied WME’s claim for breach of contract against Miller, as WME could not prove that Miller’s appearance in the Level 1 Productions film, Refresh, caused any harm to WME. The panel reaffirmed that WME owns the rights to Miller’s name as it pertains to ski films and magazines, but nothing else.
post #66 of 89

Yes and No. WME won the part where WM can't appear in movies. WM won in that he can do other things with his name.

 

I still won't go.

post #67 of 89

They found he breached the contract

 

 

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Based on the contractual language and history of the agreements, the arbitrators sided with WME by deciding that “Miller’s participation in a ski film produced by a competing ski film company is a breach of these grants and promises.”

The panel also found fault with Miller’s actions last year in response to the situation. “Mr. Miller also breached this exclusive grant of his publicity rights to WME when he directly or through others operating upon his authorization, communicated that he was no longer associated with the WME films and that he did not like those films or WME’s practices,” the panel wrote. “Those statements and writings are contrary to and inconsistent with the perpetual grants made to WME.”

BUT

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Miller wins breach of contract aspect

The panel did favor Miller in regard to a breach of contract claim by WME. The parties agreed to use California contract law in this part of the case, so proving specific evidence of damages was necessary to find a breach of contract. In deciding for Miller, the arbitrators called the possible evidence presented by WME to be “speculative, insufficient and lacking credibility to support any specific damage to WME.”

 I admit, it is hazy.  But he owns his name.  He can't appear in movies, darn it:

 

 

Quote:
“Now that the arbitration panel has reiterated that Warren is free to use his own name, likeness, voice, and brand in anything outside of ski movies, we are renewing and accelerating development of several ground-breaking projects within the ski industry and beyond,” said Colin Kaufmann, Warren Miller Company CEO. “While it is unfortunate for Warren and for his fans that he will be unable to participate in ski films for the foreseeable future, we are excited to move forward with Warren to re-connect with many generations of friends and fans to foster his genuine legacy.”
post #68 of 89

I did like the amateur Warren Miller movies he used to voice-over himself in the old echo-filled high school auditoriums... those were fun, low tech and got you excited for the season... the current crop of Miller product is like watching WWF Wrestling compared to old school Big Time Wrestling... over-amped, over-commercialized, and no fun at all...

 

And who came up with the idea that the only music that goes with "big mountain" skiing is thrashy, awful, corporate whine-grunge?   I CANT stand the music I hear at ski areas and in ski films most of the time...

 

But, thats just me...

post #69 of 89

Except that I am 3 years more jaded now. 

post #70 of 89

I tend to enjoy them for 20 minutes, then they just seem repetitive and I FF through the rest of the production unless I see a segment that might be worth watching.

 

Steep, on the other hand, was engaging from start to finish ... and is every time I watch it.  Best ski movie I've ever seen.

post #71 of 89

 

i dont really like them, because just like any skiing or winter x games i watch, about 20 minutes in; i'm thinking that i wish i was there and not whereever i am at the moment.

 

just like today, i'm stuck here in a cubicle on keystone's opening day. if i just would have gone all in on the stock market in march 2009; I'D BE AT KEYSTONE RIGHT NOW !; instead of refreshing the webcam.

post #72 of 89

Definitely boring first half, about the same as last year [yawn], second half seemed better...or maybe it was the beer?

post #73 of 89
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Originally Posted by AndrewJ View Post

 

And who came up with the idea that the only music that goes with "big mountain" skiing is thrashy, awful, corporate whine-grunge?   I CANT stand the music I hear at ski areas and in ski films most of the time...

 

But, thats just me...



I've never noticed that?  I get most of my seasons music from the crop of ski movies each year, and it's rarely rock or "grunge".

post #74 of 89

Maybe I'm seeing the wrong ski films and vids to be getting all this awful music... which films have you seen that has given you an enjoyable soundtrack for your season?

post #75 of 89

Off to see this latest WM film tonight.  Not expecting much except enjoying meeting up with winter friends.

post #76 of 89
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Originally Posted by AndrewJ View Post

Maybe I'm seeing the wrong ski films and vids to be getting all this awful music... which films have you seen that has given you an enjoyable soundtrack for your season?



Every Matchstick Movie for the last 11 years.  Poorboyz and Teton Gravity Research have good soundtracks as well.  Rage Films sometimes.  Level 1 hasn't been doing it for me lately.  And sometimes, sometimes I even get songs out of Warren Miller movies.  The most recent Warren Miller songs I can think of was "Human" by Big City Rock (Off the Grid), and "Meteorology" by Overseer, "Evolution" by Korn (ok that one is crunchy rock), and "Knights of Cydonia" by Muse (Playground).  Those are 3 and 4 years old I guess, but heck I still listen to MSP and Poorboyz songs all the way back off Degenerates and Sick Sense from 1998.

post #77 of 89

Haha...The "grunge" comment has me amused. Just how uptight, out of touch, and stodgy does one have to be?

post #78 of 89

Worst WM film ever.  Boring as hell.  Let's do big mountain skiing at lots of different places that after a while all looked pretty much the same.  Watch the skier ski down impossibly steep slopes again and again and again and again and again and again.  Oh, we'll throw in a few tricks here and there and NOT NAME the guys who are doing them, then watch more big mountain again and again and again.  And again.  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

post #79 of 89

WM films are not boring in and of themselves. They have just become very repetitive and unoriginal. IMO, of course. The again, what can you do to make a ski film not unoriginal and repetitive? You can only show someone skiing down a steep pitch so many ways. The main difference between WM and the other outfits is the music and attire worn by the actors.  The only thing that sets all the studios apart is the music they decide to use. Most ski films have become top 10 grunge radio with pictures-- and with product placements thrown in.

post #80 of 89

Raised on Barrymore and Miller (when he presented live). Still hit the releases as they come through town, Am amazed and engerized by what I see.

But like Plake says, "....very few of them I could call films, they're more like rock videos..."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlXtuTxk3SU

post #81 of 89
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Originally Posted by MojoMan View Post

WM films are not boring in and of themselves. They have just become very repetitive and unoriginal. IMO, of course. The again, what can you do to make a ski film not unoriginal and repetitive? You can only show someone skiing down a steep pitch so many ways. The main difference between WM and the other outfits is the music and attire worn by the actors.  The only thing that sets all the studios apart is the music they decide to use. Most ski films have become top 10 grunge radio with pictures-- and with product placements thrown in.



Jesus, enough with the "grunge" every time someone use that term in relation to any current music just makes themsleves look stupid. Most ski films these days rarely even use the same genre of music from segment to segment.

I can watch films easily because I recognize that all the guys they feature have thier own distinct style of attacking the line.

post #82 of 89
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Originally Posted by JimiB View Post

Raised on Barrymore and Miller (when he presented live). Still hit the releases as they come through town, Am amazed and engerized by what I see.

But like Plake says, "....very few of them I could call films, they're more like rock videos..."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlXtuTxk3SU



Do you know that Warren Miller has absolutely no involvement in the company that brings you Warren Miller films every year? Do you know that company sued Warren Miller the man for narrating a small segment in another movie?  Why would you support a company like that?

post #83 of 89



 

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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post





Jesus, enough with the "grunge" every time someone use that term in relation to any current music just makes themselves look stupid. Most ski films these days rarely even use the same genre of music from segment to segment.

I can watch films easily because I recognize that all the guys they feature have thier own distinct style of attacking the line.



Well, music does play a very important role in the new-school productions. Less so with WM, at least until recently. Historically, WM was always a relatively conservative presentation. They now have to try to keep up with the Jones' by incorporating new school stuff--including music. It doesn't sell because new-schoolers will always see WM as old-school and they will view WM attempts to get with the program as being a carpet bagging approach. 

 

As far as the visual appeal of the films, there really is not a whole lot one can do to diversify--find an interesting angle to shoot the scene, edit, add music, and package the DVD with an interesting cover. IMO, in the new-school films, music is the most important selling point. It's what creates the image, not the visuals. WM has always appealed more to old-school purists interested primarily in the visuals.

post #84 of 89

Ski movies, generally, are merely out of context 'moving still pictures' about stunts that are on view for way to short a time.They are 'written' by people with short attention spans for people with shorter attention spans and Yo' attitude. There is a current exception to this: The recent film on La Grave,    http://vimeo.com/15315278     which is a great illustration on the difference between being a tourist and being a traveler. Still, I gotta watch 'em hoping there might be a scene longer than a toke that will fill in the dead time between ski seasons. During ski season there is no free time.


Edited by g-force - 11/7/10 at 1:41pm
post #85 of 89

I would categorize ski flicks under 'eye candy' or perhaps psuedo reality-action documentary. They are not really movies or full-blown documentary as they have absolutely no plot or meaning outside of the visuals. But that's just semantics, I guess.  Someone would watch a porn flick just for the sexuality. Nobody cares what anyone says or does outside of the sex. Same for ski flicks. Someone watches ski 'porn' simply for the action. I would therefore consider porn and ski flicks to be on the same aesthetic level--nothing deep, pretty shallow, and both are judged on their radical and carnal nature. That's why it's called ski porn.


Edited by MojoMan - 11/7/10 at 3:03pm
post #86 of 89

Yeah, the WM has been wearing on me.  I used to like them a lot, but the Meathead stuff is getting my attention nowadays (except for all the urban stuff.)

post #87 of 89
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

Do you know that Warren Miller has absolutely no involvement in the company that brings you Warren Miller films every year? Do you know that company sued Warren Miller the man for narrating a small segment in another movie?  Why would you support a company like that?


I think you misunderstood my point, and Plake's. First of all, here in Tahoe we have a plethora of openings/showings of different films every year. I try and see as many as my schedule allows. If for no other reason than I am aquainted with someone working on them. My point is that most of the films are more like a series Music Videos or Commercials than movies. A series of images/scenes with little continuity. So many of them are just disjointed imagery and poorly edited music tracks. Considerig the visuals and risks taken I'd like to see more effort put into post production and editing. There's a lot of great high impact footage pushing the limits that gets ruined.

 

Are WME productions my favorite? No. And WM stopped presenting live long before he sold. I think that it's a valid point that the WME product is inferior to other productions. But when 60 Minutes can out produce nearly all the current releases with their profile of JT Holmes I have to wonder what's going on in ski films. But sadly, IMO WME is better than most in creating product.

 

As for your comments about WME v. Level 1 and how Warren Miller was involved I think your comments are incorrect. WM petitioned to join the suit on behalf of Level 1. WME never filed suit against WE and went out of their way not to involve him.  The issue of the 1995 agreement dispute was seperate and settled in arbitration. The most interesting thing about the decision was that it was determined that Miller's appearance caused no damage to WME's interests even though they retained exclusive ownership of his image and likeness in ski films. Pretty sad to hear that an Icon has no commerical impact.  

 

Here's a couple of links

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/News/2010/10/15/Arbitration-Lawsuit-Outcome-Warren-Miller-Entertainment-Ski-Snowboard-Films-Movies/

http://www.examiner.com/skiing-in-national/warren-miller-arbitration-panel-reaches-decisions

post #88 of 89

I don't expect much out of ski movies.  I look at them as a Chronicle of the season passed.  I try and live vicariously through everyone on the screen until the snow falls and I can do it myself.  I try and emulate their tricks....at least until it hurts.  I buy the songs from the movies, because when I'm driving around town...not skiing...or watching movies...hearing it again puts me in the same place.  In short, I think about skiing too much.

post #89 of 89
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

I don't expect much out of ski movies.  I look at them as a Chronicle of the season passed.  I try and live vicariously through everyone on the screen until the snow falls and I can do it myself.  I try and emulate their tricks....at least until it hurts.  I buy the songs from the movies, because when I'm driving around town...not skiing...or watching movies...hearing it again puts me in the same place.  In short, I think about skiing too much.



You are most wise....

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