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I am being a scrooge or being screw-ged?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
I don't want to be unfair to Greg D, but I am a little disenchanted with him. In all fairness, maybe something has happened to Greg D that has prevented him from following through on his promise.

The details follow:

In this thread, Greg D was looking for some rock skis. As noted in my response, I offered a pair of skis and bindings to Greg D for the cost of shipping from Salt Lake City to the destination of his choice.

What follows are the PM's Greg D and myself exchanged:

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posted December 03, 2003 07:58 PM
If you get me a total for shipping I will take those skis off your hands!!!

I'll see if my friendship passes are good at Park City which is a sister Powder Corp resort and mail one to you if you want.

Thanks,

Greg D
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posted December 03, 2003 10:30 PM
Greg,

I will try and get the skis boxed and shipped ASAP. Do you want a price quote before I ship them or should I just send them and tell you how much?
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posted December 03, 2003 11:22 PM
Go ahead and just send them, I'm sure it won't break the bank. I'll send you money as soon as I get a total.

Thanks a Ton!!!

Greg
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posted December 04, 2003 06:45 AM
Consider it done.
After shipping the skis, I sent the following PM to Greg D:

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posted December 08, 2003 07:20 PM
Greg,

I shipped the Volkls this evening; the total came to $23. It won't show up until late tomorrow, but the FedEx tracking number is 077466994933281.

At your convenience, please forward a check to:

Name and home address deleted

If it's not too much to ask - and you can do it - I would very much appreciate a pass to Park City. I also understand if you cannot.

You better carry a stick with you; you'll need it to beat all the chicks off when skiing on these bad boys. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Enjoy your new adventure,

IG
I have not received a response to the PM above or below. As a courtesy to Greg D as well as trying to exhibit some patience; I sent Greg D the following PM two weeks after shipping the skis:

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posted December 22, 2003 08:30 PM
Greg,

I hate to bother you about this, but I haven't yet received your check. Would you kindly confirm that you have - or will shortly - mailed a check for $23.00 to:

Name and home address deleted

Thank you,

IG
I ask you, my fellow Bears, on this Christmas eve, do I consider the skis, the time it took to box and ship the skis and the $23.00 shipping charge a gift to Greg D? Or, do I get all pissy about it and send Greg D a nasty-gram to his residence in Califonia?

Thanks for your input,

IG
post #2 of 28
It's always the Californians.
post #3 of 28
Has anyone seen a post from Greg D ? may be he was hurt in a accident.

I hope your not getting stiffed.

I would like everyone to know that IG helped me out a few months back. I consider him a good friend.

Merry Christmas
post #4 of 28
It looks like Greg's last post was December 5th. IP tracking does not show any hits from Greg_D since then.

It's possible that he does not have access to a computer (giving him the benefit of the doubt). Maybe Irul or someone else that skis Alpine regularly can look for him and ask him politely to take care of this matter.

Maybe AC can send him an Email (which he might have more access to)

Hope it's just a case of oops and is resolved soon.

Merry Christmas All
post #5 of 28
That is sad. I certainly hope he coughs up the money.
However, this reminds me of a signature line someone has......
"If you loan someone 20 bucks and you never see the person again, it was probably worth it."
post #6 of 28
ALWAYS get the money first!

Maybe the check is in the mail.
post #7 of 28
Well, I'd say that he owes you the money. Now, if it comes through and you're feeling particularly nice, you could send it back and say Merry Christmas, but I don't think it's very nice to help yourself to $23 worth of somebody else's generosity. For the time being, treat it as a misunderstanding. If things keep up like they are now, Be nice, but get your money.

I'm currently in a state of somewhat disgust with my parents because they're not pursuing a similar situation like they should be. They spent a good amount of money on a vacation which got rained out by a hurricane. Luckily, we had insurance, but due to the fact that they wern't willing to assert a little friendly pressure on the company, we're just now getting our money back from a vacation that was planned for early October. That, coupled with the fact that the rental agency only insured us for about 70% of the total is making me look at them a little weirdly for not pressuring the people a little harder. I still don't know if they're getting the other 30% of the cash back.

I'd say that it often just takes a little reminder to get what you need, but if that doesn't work, push a little harder. That is your money after all.
post #8 of 28
Hopefully there is a good reason Greg D has not responded to you or sent the money, but I am a little leary of this. His first visit to the site was on Dec. 1, 2003. He made a total of 10 posts, the last being on December 8, 2003. He has not been seen or heard from since then. You have checked the tracking I assume and they were received.

I know that we all like to be nice to one another here, but this person was an unknown, perhaps a little more caution was called for in this case. I'd hate to think that someone on this site would do something like that.

I hope all turns out well and you find that you just didn't get the money and didn't hear from him because something was up. He did say in his post that he was quitting his job and moving...maybe this is the reason.
post #9 of 28
No Good. Sounds like folks who see a liftie
named Greg D. at Alpine Meadows should
remind him to pay up.
post #10 of 28
I have one word to describe the deal.

Un.....freakin.....real!

I pro rep and extend credit in order to move skis. I have one customer that I ordered two pairs of skis and two pairs of bindings for and merely requested they keep track of what they owed as well as forward an e-mail with a schedule of payments. I stressed I didn't care how long payment took or how much was paid per installment. I had a heck of a time getting the e-mail and they got indignant when the subject was broached. Once payment is obtained they are off the credit worthy list.

Monday I got a notice that another "customer" gave me a worthless check. I felt like a jerk calling the week before xmas asking what they wanted me to do with the check.

I think you were exceedingly gracious and am sorry you had to deal with the issue.

[ December 24, 2003, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Guy ]
post #11 of 28
Well you can look at it this way. You are only out $23.00. It was a vary cheap lession to learn. Karma will get get him in the end. The ski gods can be vary vengful.Don't ever mess with the ski gods. Greg D should worry about his ACL anytime he uses those skis. On the other hand Gadget you did a good thing you showed the gods a good heart they will bless you many times over. By the way I have a pass for Park City for you. Lets get some turns in. That is if you don't mind skiing with an old gaper like me
post #12 of 28
Boy, and us New Yorkers geat a bad rap!

I'd never stiff a guy who's doing me a solid like that. Definitely shoot him another email.

I'd suggest in the future (not patronizing, I know hindsight is 20/20) to collect a minimum $20 shipping charge up front, and bill the balance. Either that, or just get the shipping quote up front.

He still may come through, but if not, $23 is a small loss.

Sorry u got burned.
post #13 of 28
Wow, that is weak. I'd be tempted to post his name and address if he fails to respond to a final reminder.

I could be wrong, but I am confident most folks on this site would have sent you the $$ pronto, without reminders.

[ December 24, 2003, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: JW ]
post #14 of 28
Hey Rusty, did you ship the skis cod and get the check as a result of the recipient handing it to a delivery guy? If so, then that transaction is a "local" activity in the eyes of some states and their prosecutors are happy to go after the bad check. If he sent you the check through the mail, it's not a "local" transaction.
post #15 of 28
Do I understand right that you shipped the skis BEFORE receiving payment? That's just stoopid! Never, EVER ship until after payment is recieved - EVER! You are out the merchandise AND the money.

[ December 24, 2003, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: Bullet ]
post #16 of 28
Well, this could be an bad situation, but I wouldn't write Greg D. off yet.

Let me explain. I have a couple of "young adults" myself. Sometimes they don't get the concept of prompt follow-up as well as I think they should. They don't have checking accounts yet and doing something as "adult" as getting a check written and sent off, as HIGH PRIORITY as it should be in this case.. just isn't.

I wouldn't be surprised, if this is a young guy, that it might take a week or two more and perhaps even a phone call or a snail-mail letter before a check arrives.

It was awfully good of you, IG, to do what you did, and you have every right to be upset. Just the time and effort of getting them shipped off, regardless of the worth and expense of it all.. so don't think I'm giving the guy an excuse. I'm just saying some young adults are a little less than "together" around this kind of thing and don't have the concept of prompt follow-through down very well.

Hopefully he'll come through, if not.. well...
post #17 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by Bullet:
Do I understand right that you shipped the skis BEFORE receiving payment? That's just stoopid! Never, EVER ship until after payment is recieved - EVER! You are out the merchandise AND the money.
Thanks for your introspective, and extremely helpful post.
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post #18 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
I ask you, my fellow Bears, on this Christmas eve, do I consider the skis, the time it took to box and ship the skis and the $23.00 shipping charge a gift to Greg D? Or, do I get all pissy about it and send Greg D a nasty-gram to his residence in Califonia?

Thanks for your input,

IG
$23 and someone bolts : ...from here no less :

[ December 24, 2003, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: HaveSkisWillClimb ]
post #19 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by ryan:
It's always the Californians.
No doubt Southern California. Probably a f'ing Laker fan. Miscreants.
post #20 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by dchan:
Maybe Irul or someone else that skis Alpine regularly can look for him and ask him politely to take care of this matter.

Good idea. After all, politeness is my strong suit.
post #21 of 28
No good deed will go un-punished
[img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #22 of 28
Happy holidays IG,

There have been enough good answers to this, but my .02 is that you should wait a little longer before upping the ante in anger. It`s not even been a month since your posts began (is that correct?), so - snail mail is slow, and during the holidays tend we tend relax a little in our responsibilites (post office included). Although protocol does demand that one should respond immediately. If the worst case scenario develpos it was an inexpensive lesson.

... One other point on the other side - if he is simply sloppy, then a little polite acknowledgement to him telling of your upset at how he handled this may go far.
post #23 of 28
Inspector....Sorry to hear that a ""Family Member"" has taken advantage of your good will. Hopefully when he skis for the first time on ""YOUR"" rock skis...the pay-back won't be to painful. One thing I can not handle is LACK of respect for someone trying to help another person out. Don't worry about sending a NASTY-GRAM....all he has to do is read the replies from true EPICSKI family members...and hopfully he will step up to the plate...and pays you A.S.A.P...

Happy Holidays...!!!
post #24 of 28
IG; What in the world are you doing worrying about this with two ft of fresh in them thair hills and still snowing hard? Go forth to the fresh and worry not; be jubilant! young miscreant will show up with the $. When I was his age I couldn't find a stamp. ( the bongs fault?) If you never hear from him again it was worth the$23, or at least $20, according to somebody around here. go get yours now!
post #25 of 28
You was still screwed.

He should not have agreed to the terms if he couldn't pony up.

He's a hit and run poster who hasn't bothered to check in again? What a loser, no excuses accepted.
post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thank you to all who have offered a pearl of wisdom. Yes, even you, Bullet.

I have to say, I'm more bewildered by this whole thing than I am upset. Yeah, I would like my $23, but it's not the end of the world. And, maybe, just maybe, Greg D truly needs the money more than I do.

Regarding the fresh snow that has fallen in the Wasatch, I can only say <font color=red>WOW</font>! But that is the topic for another thread.

Happy New Year!

IG
post #27 of 28
I think "Ramen Noodles" was the red flag.. :
post #28 of 28
you did the right thing in just sending the ski and expecting payment, except for these skier guys, just like the deadheads, just can't trust them!
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