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07/08 stockli stormrider xl's?

post #1 of 39
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I asked a few questions in the other Stockli thread, but I figured I'd start this one to make 1 place for this particular ski.

I'm trying to figure out what the differences between last year's XL and the 07/08 XL are. The Stockli 07/08 catalog pdf link here:

http://www.parax.si/datoteke/katalog07_08.pdf

says that the XL has a synthetic core. Last year's was a wood core, so that's one difference. Sidecut is the same...

Anyway, the Stockli square graphic/chart thing that shows the 4 sides of speed/powder/comfort,piste/racing has last year's XL as a speed demon. The 07/08 catalog seems to say that's no longer the case and that it's geared more towards "comfort". If anyone doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about, I don't blame you. Sorry if I'm not explaining very well

anwyay, my main question is this: does the 07/08 XL ski like the 06/07 one? Does anyone know the deal with the new XL?
post #2 of 39
Stoekli's "synthetic" core is a verical laminate of varying materials, including wood. My Stoekli supplier has a cross section, pretty amazine.

BTW, I am informed that the difference between 06/07 and 07/08 is additional titanal to stiffen the ski, making it closer to the original Stormrider of a few vears ago.
post #3 of 39
Thread Starter 
thanks. Rick @ Ski Sharp recommended some XL's to me, so I'm curious about the differences. I haven't ever been able to demo any Stockli's, so I'm just trying to go on what people who have can say

Maybe I should be looking at some XXL's, too? My skiing will mainly be done in Vermont. I love speed, love to go in the trees, love speed and love to jump into the bumps. Did I mention I love speed?

These will be my only skis...would XLs or XXLs make the cut?
post #4 of 39
Wow! Stockli's new line seems confusing and unnecessarily complicated! I can't get my head around them.....I have 3 pairs of Stormriders, all purchased from Rick@skisharp. I love 'em. They're bulletproof rockets. If you like power and speed, you'll love Stocklis. I mostly skied the Schmidts in Utah and the XL Offroads in VT....I reckon that which ones you choose depends on your preference....many seem to be skiing fatter these days, although I've not seen too many ski fatties(95+) in the bumps.
post #5 of 39
Thread Starter 
bumps aren't a priority..i just want to be able to jump in and not have my skis kick my ass
post #6 of 39
Unless you're perfectly balanced and strong, Stocklis will kick your a$$. They don't suffer fools gladly, but if you engage with them, they will make you a better skier.
post #7 of 39
It depends on what you realy want out of the ski.

The radius is so close between the two that there is really no great difference except that the XXL is more demanding to ski in that it has a stiffer core/ feel to it and is wider at the waist so slower edge to edge.

I ski all my Stocklis with VIST plates and bindings so I am getting additional leverage from the height of plate which you may not get from other bindings.

The newer XL (two runs only) was a good versatile ski. The XXL was more me (two runs only) but I ski 200+ days per year, 6'2" and 195 lbs and level 8/9 skier. I have been skiing my DP Pros (94mm underfoot) in 193cm all week, not a hint of fresh snow, but they are fun to ski fast in steep terrain. I ski the Rotor in 169cm as my do everything ski as it is more capable off piste than a slalom ski but almost as capable on piste and with a similar radius.

The previous XL was more of an all mountain capable GS ski and quite demanding to ski. The Cross Pro does what the old XL did and the new lin is more off piste/ back of the mountain oriented.

The Cross is an excellent allrounder as is the Rotor.

All Stocklis hold an excellent edge so ice and hard snow is not really an issue it is more what you really want out of the ski and what your skiing priorities are. If you are a realskiers member have a look at their ski reviews as they will help you.
post #8 of 39
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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
...The radius is so close between the two that there is really no great difference except that the XXL is more demanding to ski in that it has a stiffer core/ feel to it and is wider at the waist so slower edge to edge.....

I cant agree with you on this Andrew. I have the XL @ 174cm (alpine mounted) and the XXL @178cm (mounted with Fritschi Freeride +). The XXL has a very smooth and progressive flex which is not at all overpowering. It will bash through crud, chopped show, is not deflected by sastrugi, but really excels in off-piste/un-tracked snow. I haven't yet skiied it in true powder, but a few weeks ago skiing in 60 cms of fresh snow, the XXL had me singing.

Slower edge to edge because of the extra 5mm yes. More demanding, not in its proper environment (i.e. off-piste).
post #9 of 39
I heard that the XXL was slightly softer than the XL. That said I've only skied the XL, haven't even seen the XXL at first hand.
post #10 of 39
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Originally Posted by bucking bronco View Post
I heard that the XXL was slightly softer than the XL. That said I've only skied the XL, haven't even seen the XXL at first hand.
^^^^ Wot he said. Not hearsay but fact, hence my belief that it is less demanding off-piste than the narrower XL.
post #11 of 39
I felt that the XL was a little easier to ski, especially in the bumps and trees (fairly firm Colorado day - no fresh snow for a while) than the XXL but that was based on two runs on each ski. There was quite a bit of pressure to get them back to the rep so the next chap could try them.

I find my DP Pros easy to ski with a very progrssive flex, carve well and are manageable in bumps but I can guarantee that 90% of skiers are not going to want to spend their days on a pair of DP Pros.

I thought that both were excellent skis (well they are Stocklis so of course they will be).

The XXL is certainly the ski I am looking at as my do everything ski (in 178cm) and it is certainly in the league of other excellent 80mm + waisted skis that ski everything so well that one doesn't think that 80mm underfoot is too fat.

The 07/08 models arrive here (NZ ) this month so with any luck I will be able to get a couple of days on each, hopefully in some fresh snow as well, and add some more feedback.

From what I have heard about skiing in Vermont unless you are going back country I still think that the Cross model is best ski for what you want and prioritise.
post #12 of 39
I ski the 06-07 XL's in New England, find them to be fine for every condition we have but their GS-like speed potential is wasted on our short runs. Millah has it right about brand character, though - bring your A game and they'll sing. Get lazy and you'll be the one making sounds as you cartwheel.
post #13 of 39
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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
I.....The XXL is certainly the ski I am looking at as my do everything ski (in 178cm) and it is certainly in the league of other excellent 80mm + waisted skis that ski everything so well that one doesn't think that 80mm underfoot is too fat.

The 07/08 models arrive here (NZ ) this month so with any luck I will be able to get a couple of days on each, hopefully in some fresh snow as well, and add some more feedback....

Andew R, the XXL certainly took a little while to get dialed in, especially as I ski the XL with Marker alpine bindings wearing Lange Comp 100 boots, while I ski the XXL mounted with Freeride + in Garmont Adrenalines. But once I found centre, in fresh snow and ungroomed crud the XXL wins hands down.

I was lucky to get hold of a pair to ski this season. The importer had a pair of pre-production skis flown in before the factory closed for the summer holiday. There will not be many XXLs with a gloss top sheet.
post #14 of 39
Thread Starter 
just got back from a local shop and they have the rotor 76, XL and XXL in stock.

The XL topsheet on the ones I saw is *not* the one i've seen everywhere on the web

it is *not* this:



it is not the red of the XXL at all, but has the same "skull" graphic on it, only smaller:

post #15 of 39
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Originally Posted by scb View Post
Maybe I should be looking at some XXL's, too? My skiing will mainly be done in Vermont. I love speed, love to go in the trees, love speed and love to jump into the bumps. Did I mention I love speed?
Get some older XL's for ripping around on....ice, groomers, etc.

Get some K2 public enemys for trees, bumps and powder. Mount +1.

ENJOY!!!
post #16 of 39
Thread Starter 
stockli site was updated

http://en.stoeckli.ch/main/ski/collection

stormrider xl:


stormrider xl ed:


anyone know the difference? just topsheet i guess?

also, the XXXL is listed on the site if anyone is interested:
post #17 of 39
Thread Starter 
to answer my own question, stockli's catalog seems different from the website

the site lists the xl and xl ed as the same construction, but the catalog has this:

xl: glass fibre - titanal - wood core - glass fibre - titanal - titanal support in mid section

xl edition: glass fibre - titanal - synthetic core - glass fibre - titanal- glass fibre support in mid section

both 116-75-102
post #18 of 39
I own last years (2007) Stormrider XL in 174cm, these will carve scary fast GS turns on hardpack, groomers, ice and do a good job in crud and spring conditions. I've heard other state that their not good short turners, I disagree! They are however unforgiving and work best at higher speeds.
post #19 of 39
I think it depends on how big you are and how much power you ski with.
I'm 5'7", 170 lbs and I greatly prefer the Stockli isocore skis. I can ski the Laser Cross (favorite), Rotor (2nd), Laser SC, and Stormrider AT easily. I, too, ski fast and found all three capable at all speeds. As for the Cross Pro and Stormrider XL (both wood core), I find them much more difficult to ski any turn shape tighter than the one they like, and they are more awkward at lower speeds. Personally, I found them both to be more difficult than the '04 Fischer World Cup SL that I skied for a couple seasons and really enjoyed. They are all great skis, it just depends on your style and size and how stiff a ski you prefer. YMMV.
post #20 of 39
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I was planning on buying from Rick @ ski sharp sometime next month, but my local shop just started carrying stockli's and are having their early season clearance of last year's stuff, plus 10% off everything else in the store. so with the 10% they're actually cheaper now. i may jump on a pair of XLs this weekend (maybe with some Jesters?)

though the XXL they have really tempts me...but I know that's really not the ideal ski for Vermont skiing
post #21 of 39
Thread Starter 
actually the 10% may not apply to skis, only clothing....damn
post #22 of 39
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Originally Posted by scb View Post
I was planning on buying from Rick @ ski sharp sometime next month, but my local shop just started carrying stockli's and are having their early season clearance of last year's stuff, plus 10% off everything else in the store. so with the 10% they're actually cheaper now. i may jump on a pair of XLs this weekend (maybe with some Jesters?)

though the XXL they have really tempts me...but I know that's really not the ideal ski for Vermont skiing
Where is "local" for you? I'm always looking for shops that carry Stocklis.
post #23 of 39
Thread Starter 
Pedigree in white plains, NY (they also have a store in stamford, ct and maybe another in bedford, ny?)

they have the rotor 76, stormrider xl, and xxl on display in the white plains shop
post #24 of 39
i was just in pedigree on friday checkin out the stocklis. thats a great shop.
post #25 of 39
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Originally Posted by scb View Post
Pedigree in white plains, NY (they also have a store in stamford, ct and maybe another in bedford, ny?)

they have the rotor 76, stormrider xl, and xxl on display in the white plains shop
Thanks! White Plains is a drive but I do get down that way once in a while.
post #26 of 39
Thread Starter 
i bought a pair of 174 stormrider xls from them on sunday.
post #27 of 39
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Originally Posted by scb View Post
i bought a pair of 174 stormrider xls from them on sunday.
Congrats on the ski purchase!

Are you getting or did you get the Jesters?
post #28 of 39
Thread Starter 
jesters are already mounted. figured what the hell...
post #29 of 39
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jesters are already mounted. figured what the hell...
Nice...!
post #30 of 39
I'm just back from a long weekend in Zermatt, Switzerland, testing the season's new skis. My favourite ski was the Stöckli Stormrider XL ed. (2007/2008 model) in a 174cm length.

I'm only an intermediate skier (I can get down most red runs here in Europe, but black runs, bumps and really steep stuff scare me), but the XL was huge fun on pistes that ranged through heavy chop, light moguls to groomed hard pack. I don't think I've every skied as fast or as well before.

The main feeling was silky smoothness.

I'm 179cm/5'11 tall and 86 kg (190 lb ?), so maybe the height/weight helps with this model, but I think this ski could be of interest to many intermediates and above.

I'm seriously considering buying a pair for this season.
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