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post #31 of 45
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Triplenet, there is no traverse in a medium radius (or any) turn. If you are talking about the moment between turns, the body generally returns to a neutral relaxed body position with all parts facing forward.
I tried, med.
post #32 of 45
That you did. Sorry nolo.
post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by med View Post
To the debating society, how did this simple question get turned into World Cup GS skiing. Give a simple basic question a simple basic anwer.
You have entered the Ski Technique & Analysis Debate Zone - WARNING - Entry may cause severe confusion!
post #34 of 45
Just like "Phil's garage" in used equipment, maybe Ski Technique & Analysis should become "The Spin Zone". I remember laughing as I read the original question knowing that the team anticpation vs. team counter couldn't let this one go down easy.
post #35 of 45
Is this a failure of the thread-split concept? Maybe it should've been in the Instruction and Coaching instead. An intermediate question answered by appeal to WC photo montages?.... come on...

I think the distinction between forums needs to be more "in your face" blatently obvious if you want casual users to be able to choose the right place to ask their question.
post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by med View Post
Just like "Phil's garage" in used equipment, maybe Ski Technique & Analysis should become "The Spin Zone". I remember laughing as I read the original question knowing that the team anticpation vs. team counter couldn't let this one go down easy.

Aha! A new schism -- counterors vs anticipated inclinators

COOL!

Don't both advocate the same priciple -- prepare for the upcoming turn forces?
post #37 of 45

Guess again

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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
And you know this because...?
....
All interesting discussion that is meaningless because none of us can make this turn at this speed so its all guessing. :
I know this because of what I already said: I don't see these turns as mistakes. I see perfectly functional countering movements doing no less than what was intended.

And you know that none of us can make that turn at that speed because...?
post #38 of 45
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Originally Posted by therusty View Post
And you know that none of us can make that turn at that speed because...?
Uh...because we don't have WC training and experience.
post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
Uh...because we don't have WC training and experience.
Uh, some of "us" do have WC training and experience (I'm not saying I personally do). And some of us can make that turn at that speed, but I guess it only counts if it's on video. Eh Max?

I guess if you learned how to ski by taking lessons from a ex-slalom specialist on short-radius carving skis, the speed of a GS race would seem high. If you spent your formative years doing longer turns at higher speeds it doesn't seem so fast.

The original question was about a "TRAVERSE", not a transition. Heck if the next move after the traverse is a turn uphill to get to the next trail things would be a little different.

I think a lot of people just jump to the thread from the "newest posts" page without noticing what forum it's in.
post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
The problem I see with this type of approach is that the average intermediate skier is likely to cause a pivot movement into the turn if they enter the new turn with the upper body in that position.
Now that is a whole different story....... but like Rick said, there is one mode for skill development and one for stepping on the go pedal. What I have been thaught to do and what I teach and coach is to focus on your hips. If you look at the photo sequenze you can see that in frame 5 she has her hips dropped far into the turn and close to the snow putting her upper body into nice counter. She is kind of unwinding her upper body from an antisipated position between frame 1 and 2 to square in frame 3 to countered in frame 4, 5, 6 and 7. I agree that frame 8 looks a bit weard; banked and rotated. She is however not using rotation to get into this position, she kind of skied into it. Like we do in bumps. Important to understand is that while floating into the fall line there is no need to angulate and counter because we need to dynamicly apply force at the gate and we cannot do that ad effectively if we are allredy in an angulated and countered position. Think in terms of ski rebound.
post #41 of 45
Look @ AI here:
http://ronlemaster.com/images/1997-1...es/Aamodt.html

and here:
http://ronlemaster.com/images/1997-1...of%20temp.html

and here:
http://ronlemaster.com/images/1997-1...f%20Tomba.html

and here:
http://ronlemaster.com/images/2002-2...-1-flat-w.html

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This one on the other hand is an example of square up at the transition and a slight upside down position:
http://ronlemaster.com/images/2002-2...d-gs-2-ws.html

and here:
http://ronlemaster.com/images/2004-2...d-2002-sg.html

and here:
http://ronlemaster.com/images/2004-2...c-2002-dh.html

I guess the answere to the original question is that if you look at WC skiing you can find eather AI or square up at transition. So if we want to become great skiers we should be able to do both. At least we should accept the fact that both can be done and that neather is wrong. AI is at the top of the skill level. If you ask me I think that the worst thing we can do is to bring our hips out over our skis because that causes our skis to lose valuable edge angles and cause skidding. Tanja uses her hips seen from my perspective perfectly.
post #42 of 45
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Originally Posted by med View Post
Triplenet,
If you are still around your own question, I can't help but wonder is you are less, slightly or more confused by some of the answers. To the debating society, how did this simple question get turned into World Cup GS skiing. Give a simple basic question a simple basic anwer.

I am still here and sitting on the side lines ...... Its tough to understand all this technical stuff - maybe I will take a few more lessons....

Kidding aside, I read all these threads in hopes of gaining just a little knowledge... Just once I want someone on the lift to look my way and say - "that guys pretty good"
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by triplenet View Post
Just once I want someone on the lift to look my way and say - "that guys pretty good"
....and keeping your upper body eather square or slightly countered at transition will gain you the looks?
post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
I guess the answere to the original question is that if you look at WC skiing you can find eather AI or square up at transition. So if we want to become great skiers we should be able to do both. At least we should accept the fact that both can be done and that neather is wrong. AI is at the top of the skill level. If you ask me I think that the worst thing we can do is to bring our hips out over our skis because that causes our skis to lose valuable edge angles and cause skidding. Tanja uses her hips seen from my perspective perfectly.
Truer words have seldom been spoken on this forum.

post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post
If you are talking about the moment between turns, the body generally returns to a neutral relaxed body position with all parts facing forward.
Nolo,,, given your tendancy to over rotate your turn completions, AI would be a valuable skill to work on.
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