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post #61 of 74
Disappointed in the boot reviews. A few noticeably absent skis that had for several years appeared on the pages of both Ski and Skiing. Not sure what to make of that. I can understand that a ski that the testers did not like would not appear on the pages. The Ski Mfg Cos. probably don't want negative reviews published either. I wonder when some of these boutique ski companies are going to get around to submitting skis for reviews or are they just to indie for the ski mags?
post #62 of 74
After 30 years in Langes I guess I need to trash my boots and buy something else. They must be terrible, how else can you explain a gear guide that doesn't even mention Lange in the men's section? This was less than worthless. It will take up valuable garbage can space.
post #63 of 74
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I read the Skiing magazine "bootfitters' take" and I was disappointed that so few boots were rated. I have really big calves, so I was hoping to find something that talked about big calf uppers. No such luck. They seemed to have lots of boots with relatively tight fit. Maybe that is what the manufacturers are selling, but maybe there are some other choices out there. I certainly would have loved to have seen a description of the fit of several series. In those cases where multiple flex boots share the same last, I would only need one description, but I really wish tehre were more info on boot fit than on gizmos.
It seems like kind of an on again off again thing with the magazines and boot testing. Last season or so, I recall that Skiing did a pretty good job of detailing the various fit characteristics of each of the boots tested including toe box, instep, mid-foot width, heel, calf etc. Some of the manufacturers sites are beginning to actually supply some actual data on mid-foot width, weight and so forth. FWIW, most of the Fischer boots have adjustments to accommodate wide calves which employ several different upper cuff modification approaches and easy buckle repositioning. I'm sure that there must be others that do, as well.

If you don't mind having some possibly major surgery done by a competent bootfitter, most any boot can be adjusted to accommodate wide calves either through liner modification, buckle placement changes, shell stretching, cutting down the shell or some combination of those various approaches. The boot may or may not still look pretty after the surgery but since it will be covered by the pants leg it shouldn't matter too much. Good luck.
post #64 of 74
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After 30 years in Langes I guess I need to trash my boots and buy something else. They must be terrible, how else can you explain a gear guide that doesn't even mention Lange in the men's section? This was less than worthless. It will take up valuable garbage can space.

Ummm . . . turn the page . . .

They put the gloves (or some crap) in between boot reviews.
post #65 of 74
Oops, I was reading SKI not SKIING.
post #66 of 74
ok so what is the difference between "one ski quiver expert" and the "big mountain expert?"
post #67 of 74
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After 30 years in Langes I guess I need to trash my boots and buy something else. They must be terrible, how else can you explain a gear guide that doesn't even mention Lange in the men's section? This was less than worthless. It will take up valuable garbage can space.
I saw that too, but last year, after buying boots for years based on finding ways to get them to fit when they were on sale, I bought the boot that was best for me flex, forefoot, calve size - everything - it was a Lange after decades of Salomon's and others.

Wow - what a nice boot - it's perfect - for me - for you it might be dreadful. Whereas I can usually rely on a couple of good ski buddies for their ski recommendations, I don't trust anyone regarding boots. It's hard to fathom how they can make recommendations without describing in painful detail the foot/leg attributes of the people who are giving the review.

Let's see, I have a 103mm forefoot, skinny calves, slightly bowlegged, falling arches, right ankle extended - gee - would their recommendations be good for me?

Disregard the boot section. Ski section too. Oh, and the Resort section is sort of bs too.
post #68 of 74
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Disregard the boot section. Ski section too. Oh, and the Resort section is sort of bs too.
Haha, pretty much the whole mag then?

Well, in terms of boots, are they any good COMPANIES you would reccomend?
post #69 of 74
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Haha, pretty much the whole mag then?

Well, in terms of boots, are they any good COMPANIES you would reccomend?
Nonstopski - it really doesn't make sense to recommend a certain company. Each company makes a boot with a different fit. I ski in Nordicas because they fit me. I think I could ski in Langes or Atomics too. Tecnicas would be bad news for me, maybe they'd be great for you. What we can do is recommend a bootfitter that can make a recomendation for you after he sees your feet and how you stand.
post #70 of 74
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Haha, pretty much the whole mag then?

Well, in terms of boots, are they any good COMPANIES you would reccomend?
The point of my post was that everyone's foot, ankle, calf, style, power, flex pattern etc. is different, and a good bootfitter should be your source of recommendations, not a magazine. Go to a good bootshop and they'll have many different brands to accomodate the multitude of needs. Something will undoubtedly work for you, and it may be a brand you never thought of.

Salomon makes excellent boots, and I've had two pairs of XWave 10's. It's only when a shop who tried to help fit me noted that it really wasn't a good boot FOR ME for various reasons, did I try something else - glad I did, but that doesnt take away from the fact that the Salomon is still a fine boot.

With skis, I have some buddies who like what I like, and I can take their recommendations 100%. With boots, even though they're the same boot size (more or less), we have nothing in common regarding the shape of our feet, legs, etc., and boots are not a subject of discussion.

Find a good shop and see what they say given your physique, style, anomolies etc.
post #71 of 74
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The point of my post was that everyone's foot, ankle, calf, style, power, flex pattern etc. is different, and a good bootfitter should be your source of recommendations, not a magazine. Go to a good bootshop and they'll have many different brands to accomodate the multitude of needs. Something will undoubtedly work for you, and it may be a brand you never thought of.

Salomon makes excellent boots, and I've had two pairs of XWave 10's. It's only when a shop who tried to help fit me noted that it really wasn't a good boot FOR ME for various reasons, did I try something else - glad I did, but that doesnt take away from the fact that the Salomon is still a fine boot.

With skis, I have some buddies who like what I like, and I can take their recommendations 100%. With boots, even though they're the same boot size (more or less), we have nothing in common regarding the shape of our feet, legs, etc., and boots are not a subject of discussion.

Find a good shop and see what they say given your physique, style, anomolies etc.
Yea, i was pretty sure that was true, but thanks, good to know.

More specifically, any recommendations on places to go to get your boot fit in Park City or Alta/Snowbird area? I am heading out there, and have friends that live in PC, so they will probably have a good place for me to go for boots, plus maybe get a good deal, but if there are any places of note in either the PC area or out in alta/snowbird...would be cool to know them too.
post #72 of 74
At Snowbird- see Steve Bagely. 3rd floor of Snowbird center (tram level)
post #73 of 74
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At Snowbird- see Steve Bagely. 3rd floor of Snowbird center (tram level)
haha, are u just messing around, or serious? If so, who is this guy?
post #74 of 74
Sure I'm serious. Steve Bagley (spelled it wrong the first time)- Superior Ski, inside Christy Sports on the tram deck at Snowbird. Also a great place to go for ski tuning. Steve does great bootfitting, footbeds, and gives good advice on what to buy. There is also someone at the Deep Powder House (Earl M?) who is supposed to be very good.
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