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Black bears and Coyotes

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I know this is a strange post. But, I have an interesting life. Anyone know how to get rid of Coyotes? Black bears? I can't really shoot them without getting introuble with the DNR, NPS (at least the Bear) and my wife. I can't trap them either, because my wife would poop if I caught a dog or cat. Well, I would probably poop too. We have a fenced yard and these critters are coming in below the fence. I think to get at the bird feeders and dog/cat food on the back deck. The dogs bark most of the night and when I open the door they about blow me over trying to get into the house. We also have some cats, I have laerned that the house cat is a primary staple of the WV Coyote diet. Please help, need sleep.
post #2 of 23
remove the bird feeders and dog food. You are in their environment and there's no need to invite them in. BTW- yes, cat is one the coyotes favorite next to chickens and the nice young fawns that are particularly tender this time of year. There was a fawn leg on my neighbors lawn last weekend..
post #3 of 23
Doooh. If you live in bear country, you should NOT, repeat NOT keep bird feeders and dog/cat food out. ALL garbage must be kept indoors or in a bear proof (not bear resistant) container.

keeping bird feeders, pet food and garbage in reach of bears is signing their death warrant. even if you are not the one to shoot them, they become habituated to humans and see human dwellings as a source of food. inevitably, that leads to their death by the game warden.

ALso, you should keep dogs and cats in the house at night.

Here is a link to a local organization's page about living with bears. it's not local to you but the basics are the same. you probably have a similar outfit in your neck of the woods that can help you find local bear proof trash can suppliers...
post #4 of 23
Ok, I'll leave the wife out of it for now, but I have a few questions.

1. Are you telling me it is illegal to shoot a maurading coyote or bear that comes onto your land and kills your lifestolk? :

2. If so, do they make a silencer for a full-choke 12-Guage Pump?

I hear Desert Eagles work well.
post #5 of 23
What Finn and Mom said. Either that or move to the city. They're not comming around to disturb your slumber - they're comming around because they're hungry.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
Yeah, The dog and cat food is gone. Poured bleach in all the trash cans. Trash cans in the garage. The neighbor has chickens, lets his dogs run loose sometimes. You have to buy an agricultural permit ($100 each) to shoot a deer out of season, not sure about the bear. Plus you have to have your farm registered as agricultural, which ours is not. I have not actually seen a coyote in some time. However, there is a large puddle behind our yard that is full of frogs. Tracks all around the puddle. The coyotes howl every evening at an old strip mine about 1/4 mile from the house. It is very dry here, not much mast for the animals to eat. I don't know if any of you has tried to shoot something at night. Especially something as smart and elusive as a coyote. The hunters I know that have actually shot a coyote, usually draw them in with a tape of a wounded rabbit, or trap them.
post #7 of 23
I'm going to agree with MOM about the bears.
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
The bears aren't my primary concern. Its the coyotes, and I've spoken to a lot of folks around here about them. I was hoping for some devine enlightenment, since this site reached out across the globe. 3 years ago they (coyotes) were here for about 2-3 months with the same behavior, then they moved on.
The bears I can deal with, they usually poke around some, can't get into any food and leave.
I've never seen a reaction like the dogs almost bowling me over to get in the house though. These are big dogs the largest 135#, the smallest 65#, 2 in between about 90#. 2 of these dogs are bird hunting dogs. One is a chow/newfie mix and the last is an Aussie shepard.
After checking, with my resident expert father-in-law, we have concluded that it is probably a pack of "coy" (coyote-wild dog hybrids). He has taken a couple courses on coyote hunting.

So, his suggestion was to walk the dogs around the property and the perimeter of the fence. I did this right before posting.

Another possiblity of course is the neighbors chickens, which I'm not sure that I can do anything about. The chickens are owned by a friendly old man about 85 years old. He also has a rather sweet dog Molly. A 6 month old blue tick/walker cur. A passing thought of mine is that that the coy may be after Molly if she is in heat. Might have to steal her and have a phantom surgery performed.

So... my conclusion after much deliberation..... drum roll please.......

Ear Plugs!
post #9 of 23
We live in the woods. Occasionally a bear is daring enough to be out during the day, but it's unusual. We have NO food outside, dog/cat/other. Our trashcans stay in the garage until an hour before the trash truck arrives. The few times a bear has been around the house during the day and we have seen it, it leaves as soon as it is aware of us. The one exception to all of this was a bear our first year shimmying up the post to my daughter's deck to swat a bird feeder. The feeder was taken down the next morning (we weren't going out at night with the bear possibly so close). Two days later, we believe the same bear opened a kitchen door at a house near by and was marauding in the kitchen when the owners came home (it's Montana and they are Montanans so the doors weren't locked). The bear was killed by FWP because it was too close and comfy around people.

We know there are bears regularly in the vicinity at night. The neighbor's dogs are outside dogs and CARRY ON when a bear is near. This is a regular nightly occurence. Our dogs have a protected inside/outside arrangement and could care less about bears walking by when they are sleeping.
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
Just to note, I have gotten rid of all the food except the bird feeders. Mommy wouldn't allow that. If Mommy ain't happy...might as well be eaten by bears. Trash cans in the garage. 2 dogs inside, 2 dogs outside. It just works better like that, 4 large dogs at and around our bed is just too difficult. If the neighbors dogs bark they are at the door barking to get out immediately anyway. I don't want Mommy making all the dogs into pampered pooches, we need the security. They are the best trained dogs most people have seen.

I investigated the puddle with the frogs. All the frogs are gone (eaten?). I looked for tracks but all had been obliterated by whitetail deer tracks??

I have the maglight, and Samson's leash at ready. If thats not enough the sight of my pastey skin in the moonlight will surely scare away the most noxious critter.

My sister used to live outside of Missoula. Her roomate had a bag of chips on the seat of her car. A bear broke the glass and got the chips. It was daylight.
post #11 of 23
You might explain to Mommy that by leaving the bird feeders outside, she is killing the bears. Bears that get used to people supplied food are dead bears. DON'T LEAVE FOOD OUTSIDE THAT BEARS CAN GET HABITUATED TO!!!!!
post #12 of 23
We struggle with bears also.. We have several apple trees around our house and bears come in and eat the apples every night.. We have a young bear, (about a three year old bear) that hangs around alot. We like watching him but we know we can't let him get to comfortable. Yeaterday about 10 am he was just hanging around the house in broad daylight. He looked in a couple of window and I thought time to chase him off.. Good think is that the sight of a human still set him off like Carl lewis..
post #13 of 23
Okay here's the solution:
Enjoy your birdfeeders, let the cat be bait( as finn says, they taste like chicken to the coyote)

Take lots of pictures and then let the DNR know that they are a hazard and you'll shoot with something other than a camera lens next time.

For the record, I live in the country with a lot of acreage around me. We have all sorts of animals including bear. We let them come and go and pay no attention, other than taking pics once in a while.
The bear are hard to get pics of because they're awful skiddish, as soon as they know they've been seen.
post #14 of 23
Bears and coyotes are also a fact of life around here. The bears are starting their feasting to get ready for winter and are coming down from the high country as the berries and other food sources are going through their phases. I saw one the other day driving into town and their are plenty of siting s and problems being exacerbated by the influx of residence in the area (like others) leaving easy pickings for

Here's a local article on does and don'ts.

Plinking coyotes with a pellet or BB gun has worked to some extent keeping them from luring our dogs again. They seem to cycle at various times of the year, especially fall and winter as they have plenty of other options during the summer.

FWIW, despite several bear and coyotes over the years, it's the gophers and deer that tick me off more as our 'yard' gets mined by the gophers and the flowers and aspen get eaten by the deer. The resident elk herd is great to see, especially the hundreds during rut across the valley with occasional visits.

Okay here's the solution:
Enjoy your birdfeeders, let the cat be bait( as finn says, they taste like chicken to the coyote)
Reminds me of a card I received from my sister with a lady with a miniature dog on a leash in the woods, captioned:

"Trolling for Mountain Lion" from DuckBoy

Found this card on their site:

Watching Bears Chase Joggers... A Growing Spectator Sport

post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
Well, OK I'm awake. No bears in the yard. No worries about me or the Mommy killing bears by shooting or feeding. No animals either bear or coyote have entered the yard. I would know, we have a 4 foot chain link fence with an electric dog wire running around the bottom. 2 dog barking incidents one at 11:30 PM and another at 1:37 AM. The Maglight scan turned up nothing. Heard dogs barking in the distance, whatever it was probably moved over to the neighbor ladies last night, she turned 100 years old last year, and throws food scraps out her back door to the stray cats. Ummm chicken.: I didn't know bears could drive.
Hey Finndog want to share that leg?
post #16 of 23
There wasn't much to begin with and once the Fox got to the leftovers, you are welcome to the hoof!
post #17 of 23

something to get yur blood flowin'

Here in Louisiana it is legal to hunt Coyotes during day light hours only. Two types of hunting methods; chase 'em down with hunting dogs...No fun! or still hunting using your mentioned tape of injured rabbit!

You can get this tape from outfitters like Cabellas. Do not use a blind directly on the ground...tree stand is much safer. Use no perfume/deodorant, clothes should be hung out the night before to air out. These are not stupid animals, do not under estimate their cunning. As early as you can get into your tree stand, get settled, then turn on that recording. If any coyote is within 1/2 mile of you get ready with shotgun containing 00 buckshot or if you prefer a good camera. No matter how observant you are, how good your eyesight, these coyotes will appear out of nowhere right in front of your face! If you can control your breathing and shaking TRY to get a pic or a shot ya can't the first couple of times you try this!
post #18 of 23
Personally, I am hoping the black bears show up soon. They come into my section of town every fall to fatten up before returning to the woods to hibernate. One of the foods they eat is hornet grubs. Due to the warm winter we have vastly more hornets than any previous year. They have attacked my dog on numerous occasions & are getting harder to avoid. Since their nests are in a park I can't do anything about them so I'm waiting for a bear to show up & rip apart their nests.
post #19 of 23
If you must keep the feeders, you might want to try Squirrel Away (a cayenne pepper based powder substance you mix with the feed). The birds don't mind it, but it's highly annoying to mammals.
post #20 of 23
Thread Starter 
Here in Louisiana it is legal to hunt Coyotes during day light hours only.
If any coyote is within 1/2 mile of you get ready with shotgun containing 00 buckshot or if you prefer a good camera.

Yes, I figure a tree stand next to that frog puddle. Get this though, It is legal to hunt coyotes at night here but buckshot is illegal in WV!

Also, we have a large garden. 2 years ago I made ground Habenero powder. Worked great but all gone now.
post #21 of 23
Here in NJ the rules for shooting a bear are essentially the same for shooting a perp. The perp has to be on the way into the house and you have to fear for your "immeidate" danger.

One bear was climbing into a kitchen window last week to get some muffins. On the way in the window it would have been a "clean shoot".

Another guy shot the bear as it was running from his house and made it to the fence line. The autopsy revealed that the bear had an entry wound from the rear. The fellow is being prosecuted.
post #22 of 23
Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
I saw one the other day driving into town
Wow! What was he driving? It sounds like they have really gotten comfortable out there.
post #23 of 23
Originally Posted by epic View Post
Wow! What was he driving? It sounds like they have really gotten comfortable out there.
Yeah....too comfortable. This one was tailgating a garbage truck while driving a 4-wheeler.
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