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post #1 of 61
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I'm tired of renting sub-par skis from rental shops. I'm ready to purchase my first set of skis. With these skis I do need recs on a bomb proof carrier to travel on airlines with along with suggestion on poles.
Thanks !

Ability. I'm an intermediate hoping to advance by improving on short turns and beginning to look into bumps. Intend to make both ESAs this year out west. I'm 6' 190lbs. I do own my own boots which are Sol. xwave 9s w/ zip fit liners. I ski 99% out west (Snowmass, Steamboat and Taos). For now I ski 95% groomed, hoping to learn more about bumps.

There have been 3 skis which I have demoed over the past years which I have enjoyed.
1. Fisher rx9
2. Fisher rx8
3. K2 reckon

I found skiing on groomed or fresh crud the 9s were responsive along with staying on track; no deflection, easy to skid turns (I know, I know, thats why I'm going to two academies!) These skis made me feel I skied better, very confidence building.

The 8's had many of the 9s characteristics however they did get shoved around in cut up snow. Didn't feel as fast but felt more forgiving w/ back seat driving set in as default.

The k2s felt the most forgiving for stem/christie turn initiation with softer feedback from skis; it's like you really never noticed them on your boots until you did something terribly wrong.

I have a focused goal of improving this year, ridding myself from poor turn initiation techniques to more aggressive carving in my turns. Hopefully improvements will follow on my short turns. I did make several leaps last year through ESA aspen having our own Nolo as our team coach! With that said I need input on what skis will carry me through this transition that won't punish me too much. I don't mind taking a spill every now and then however my body is starting to complain when it becomes frequent! I am looking for a 1 ski quiver at this time...help please!
post #2 of 61
For a one-ski western quiver, I'd think you'd want something with a waist in at least the high-70s to mid-80s.

It sounds like you liked the Fischers' responsiveness and liveliness better than the Recons' forgiving and damp feel?

Do you have a price range in mind?
post #3 of 61
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
For a one-ski western quiver, I'd think you'd want something with a waist in at least the high-70s to mid-80s.

It sounds like you liked the Fischers' responsiveness and liveliness better than the Recons' forgiving and damp feel?

Do you have a price range in mind?
Thanks for your reply; Yes I do like the "sports car" feel of the fishers...sort of like rack and pinion versus power steering, you get a feel for the snow with those Fishers.

You rec a mid fat ski alpinedad, will those allow for a shorter turn for easy bump skiing? That's where my confusion comes in...I think the wider ski does not have a slalom like turn shape for short radius.

I have found great prices on last years new skis, however, I'm willing to pay this years prices for a model I will enjoy.
post #4 of 61
Ragin', good idea! Best thing I ever did (well not really) was get out of the rental office. I haven't skied the skis that you mention, but have skied with you in Utah at ESA. Just from my own experience, limited as it is, I really like Atomics. I have owned 3 pair, my wife has my first. I went from a SX9 to Metron 9, to the Snoop Daddy late last season. Only had one day on the snoops at Mammoth in very sparce conditions, but WOW, I love them so far. I really like the Metrons too. Good edge hold, great on groomers, very capable short radius turns. Whatever you decide on I know that you will be happy that you are out of the lines at the rental office. See you in Colorado at ESA, the good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise.

Mark
post #5 of 61
For your height weight....around 168-172

I think a lot of your needs will be cured by improved skiing. I would look to a ski to grow with. If you plan to ski on groomed, I would at skis in the low 70's. IMHO, a thinner waisted ski is easier to learn good technique on. Wider skis on groomed take more effort to get them to get on edge and respond. I would look at the Head Supershape or Supershape Magnum, Xenon 7.0, last years Head 72 would be great, Dynastar contact 10 or 11, RX8 is a great ski, Elan Magfire 10, Volkl AC2 or 3, I would stay with a ski at or below 15m. I'm sure there will be other opinions....
post #6 of 61
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Originally Posted by mkevenson View Post
Ragin', good idea! Best thing I ever did (well not really) was get out of the rental office. I haven't skied the skis that you mention, but have skied with you in Utah at ESA. Just from my own experience, limited as it is, I really like Atomics. I have owned 3 pair, my wife has my first. I went from a SX9 to Metron 9, to the Snoop Daddy late last season. Only had one day on the snoops at Mammoth in very sparce conditions, but WOW, I love them so far. I really like the Metrons too. Good edge hold, great on groomers, very capable short radius turns. Whatever you decide on I know that you will be happy that you are out of the lines at the rental office. See you in Colorado at ESA, the good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise.

Mark
Thanks Mark!

Looking forward to this years ESA meeting up with you again!. Thanks for input. I'm not that familiar with the atomic line, however there are 100s of great reviews on that ski (Metrons)....what length you skiing them?
post #7 of 61
Don't forget the phenomenal skis offered by Nordica and Elan
I'd consider the Elan Mag 10 or 12's as well as the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous.

Those are all skis that make me say Whooo Hoooo!
post #8 of 61
Trek, I did list the 10 (and a word from our sponsor.....)
post #9 of 61
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I think a lot of your needs will be cured by improved skiing. I would look to a ski to grow with.
My thoughts exactly Finndog, looking forward to improvement this year.

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If you plan to ski on groomed, I would at skis in the low 70's. IMHO, a thinner waisted ski is easier to learn good technique on. Wider skis on groomed take more effort to get them to get on edge and respond
.

Most of my skiing will take place on groomed runs. The family/Friend groups I ski with stick to the blues mostly.

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I would look at the Head Supershape or Supershape Magnum, Xenon 7.0, last years Head 72 would be great, Dynastar contact 10 or 11, RX8 is a great ski, Elan Magfire 10, Volkl AC2 or 3, I would stay with a ski at or below 15m. I'm sure there will be other opinions.
Again, I have never skied the Head products. However I have skied the AC3 I find it very responsive and forgiving of poor technique. Will the Head supershape be too much ski for the learning curve, I understand this to be an expert ski only....

Thanks for your reply Finndog....
post #10 of 61
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Trek, I did list the 10 (and a word from our sponsor.....)
A little reinforcement never hurt anything.
We all know that no one cares what the Chick thinks as much as the Dog.........woof!
post #11 of 61
The supershape is a demanding ski maybe too much. Another good one is a Head 800. The AC3 is a great ski but I think you would benefit more from a the AC2, The RX8 or even the 6 is still a great ski and is fine in loose crud. Better technique will greatly expand it's performance envelope. The Dynastars are fantastic skis and I would look at that 10 or the 08' equiv. FWIW, I used to ski on Volkls but I am a huge Head fan now. A damper ski but not dead, very responsive, good feedback. The magfire 10 is a bit wider at 75 but has a 15m radius. This is a great ski as well. Not nearly as demanding as the 12.
post #12 of 61
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A little reinforcement never hurt anything.
We all know that no one cares what the Chick thinks as much as the Dog.........woof!
We KNOW that's not true..... The Chick rules baby!
post #13 of 61
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
The supershape is a demanding ski maybe too much. Another good one is a Head 800. The AC3 is a great ski but I think you would benefit more from a the AC2, The RX8 or even the 6 is still a great ski and is fine in loose crud. Better technique will greatly expand it's performance envelope. The Dynastars are fantastic skis and I would look at that 10 or the 08' equiv. FWIW, I used to ski on Volkls but I am a huge Head fan now. A damper ski but not dead, very responsive, good feedback. The magfire 10 is a bit wider at 75 but has a 15m radius. This is a great ski as well. Not nearly as demanding as the 12.
Correct on all accounts, but since I've skied the AC4, the Nordica Hot rod series(not all but most of them), I'd still recommend the Nitrous. When comparing the nitrous to the AC3 and AC4, most everyone fought for my nitrous.
Good thing I had other options in my quiver to use, myself:
post #14 of 61
OK, I will begrudgedly (sp) accept the Nitrous into the fold based on the one-quiver aspect but....... I think that skiing groomers in a more relaxed pace still warrents a little more forgiving and agile ski.
post #15 of 61
cajun:

I know this is gonna be hard to believe but it IS possible to over-think/agonize about a ski purchase.

First point is....you tried three really good skis and reached some personal conclusions. That's why you demo. Asking us about your choices invites our preferences to supercede yours. Buy the one that was the best fit for you and have fun..........

If you abosolutely insist on further analysis....here are a few points to ponder.

Given your tendancies and skiing issues I'd stay away from the most agressive skis out there. That eliminates many top 'o the line models from Volkl, Nordica and Head, and suggests Fischers, K2's, Rossis, Sollies, and some Dynastars.

The width is not a huge deal, you could be well served with anything in the range of 70(ish) to 78(ish) or so.

You have a reasonable list. Thinking that one or the other is going to provide some epiphany is not realistic. Choose the one you liked best. If you absolutely insist upon other options here are a few others.

Nordica: Nitrous/Eliminator/Speedmachine 12
Fischer: AMC 73/79
K2: Crossfire/Stryker
Salomon: Tornado
Rossi: Bandit B2
Volkl: AC2

Sharpen up your focus, go shopping and buy one.

SJ
post #16 of 61
My opinion of some ofthe skis listed (for what it's worth):

My fave - Dynastar either 8000 or Contact 9 or 11. Lively and fun.
Volkl AC3 (30) - Nice, not as lively as the Dynastar, but smoother.
Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel - Not as lively as the Dynastar or Volkl, but OK
K2 Recon -very damp, not a lot of fun.

But if you'll be at Steamboat and can;t find good rentals, something's wrong. Lots of decent shops with good selection in my experience. I don't rent, but when I go with friends they have no problem finding something good to ski on.

Also - don't worry about the plane. Get a double bag with wheels and fill it up with your clothes and the skis will be fine. Also - ALWAYS carry on your boots.
post #17 of 61
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Don't forget the phenomenal skis offered by Nordica and Elan
I'd consider the Elan Mag 10 or 12's as well as the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous.

Those are all skis that make me say Whooo Hoooo!
Trekchick,

I did several searches on this ski here and a few other sites. Almost an overwhelming approval rating on the Mag 10. With a 75mm waist and a short turn radius to boot seems like a great western ski....have to put this on short list.

You're recommending the Nordica Nitrous series..just as the supershapes are they too demanding for my ability??????

Thanks for your input Trek!
post #18 of 61
Why not jsut get the RX9? It would be apretty nice western carving ski to start off with. I agree with Sj. You should trust your demoing experiences more thn our recommendations.


If you want to keep demoing some other narrow options, I would try the HotRod Modified. Also the M11B5 is a very capable ski that is really easy to ski.

The ski you really should demo is the Legend 8000. Its a decent quiver of 1 for someone who wants to work on carving and bumps and other soft snow skills.
post #19 of 61
I'm going to refrain from making any comments on the skis you're interested in as 1. I've never ridden any of them and 2. it sounds like our skiing styles are vastly different (I live and ski in the west and do my damnedest to stay off the groomers!)

But I will respond to your request for a bomb proof carrying case for your skis.

I have this: http://www.sportube.com/

That's about as "bomb proof" as you can get in terms of an airline carrying case for skis.

I've had mine going on 3 seasons and love it.

My only complaint is that I got the single ski carrier and will most likely bump up to a double or triple for this season.
post #20 of 61
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Originally Posted by ragin' cajun' View Post
Trekchick,

I did several searches on this ski here and a few other sites. Almost an overwhelming approval rating on the Mag 10. With a 75mm waist and a short turn radius to boot seems like a great western ski....have to put this on short list.

You're recommending the Nordica Nitrous series..just as the supershapes are they too demanding for my ability??????

Thanks for your input Trek!
The nordica Hot Rod Nitrous is the version of the Top Fuel but without the extra metal, which lends to some forgiving properties.
I really don't think you'll find the Nitrous to be too demanding.

Paul Jones skis the Top Fuel, and tried my nitrous in the bumps at kton(sorry paul that it was in need of a tune badly). Maybe he has an opinion.
post #21 of 61
I can't imagine skiing big western mountains without a big mountain ripper, like Dynastar Legend Pro or similar. With vertical and pitch like that how can you not want to make some high-speed long radius turns? I can't really advise on the best ski of this type though, since the best thing available for high speed ripping when I was last out west was an SG racing ski.

Still if you know you want to make short turns, then probably get some supershapes or RXs. Having gone from super long radius to 13 m radius, I realize that a short radius ski alone is not enough. I just picked up some 21 m radius skis last winter and it did feel good turning them loose. I would not want to limit myself to just one pair of sub 15m radius skis. Maybe you need two sets of skis.
post #22 of 61
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
I'm going to refrain from making any comments on the skis you're interested in as 1. I've never ridden any of them and 2. it sounds like our skiing styles are vastly different (I live and ski in the west and do my damnedest to stay off the groomers!)

But I will respond to your request for a bomb proof carrying case for your skis.

I have this: http://www.sportube.com/

That's about as "bomb proof" as you can get in terms of an airline carrying case for skis.

I've had mine going on 3 seasons and love it.

My only complaint is that I got the single ski carrier and will most likely bump up to a double or triple for this season.
So maybe he could buy your single tube for cheap
post #23 of 61
You might want to think about looking at the AMC 76 by Fischer. I have both the RX8 and the AMC 76 and this past season I spent more time on the AMC's than I did on the RX8's. They are both great skis - the AMC 76 were stable underfoot no matter the conditions. They carve great on the groomers and did well in the untracked and the crud.

Just my 2 cents worth.
post #24 of 61
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
cajun:

I know this is gonna be hard to believe but it IS possible to over-think/agonize about a ski purchase.
I'll try not to over analysis this purchase Jim! It's 100 degrees outside my door but i can't help thinking about skiing! I have put off for over 10 years buying my first set of skis. I'm enjoying the shopping experience with fellow skiers/equipment junkies!

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First point is....you tried three really good skis and reached some personal conclusions. That's why you demo. Asking us about your choices invites our preferences to supercede yours. Buy the one that was the best fit for you and have fun..........


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Given your tendancies and skiing issues I'd stay away from the most agressive skis out there. That eliminates many top 'o the line models from Volkl, Nordica and Head, and suggests Fischers, K2's, Rossis, Sollies, and some Dynastars.

The width is not a huge deal, you could be well served with anything in the range of 70(ish) to 78(ish) or so.
Everyone agrees with your width assessment. It will fall within those perimeters.


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You have a reasonable list. Thinking that one or the other is going to provide some epiphany is not realistic. Choose the one you liked best. If you absolutely insist upon other options here are a few others.

Nordica: Nitrous/Eliminator/Speedmachine 12
Fischer: AMC 73/79
K2: Crossfire/Stryker
Salomon: Tornado
Rossi: Bandit B2
Volkl: AC2

Sharpen up your focus, go shopping and buy one.
Jim, no epiphany expected just a great ski to enjoy my time on.

again, thanks for your points....I'm sure we will be pming later.



SJ[/quote]
post #25 of 61
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So maybe he could buy your single tube for cheap
You're lookin' out for me, thanks Trekchick.....however I will be needing a double tube also.....If I get my own Mrs cajun will want to follow suit! (She fell in love with the K2 burn' luvs!)
post #26 of 61
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Maybe you need two sets of skis.
I had to show this to Mrs cajun! uh, no can do! One pair at a time! Good try.....
post #27 of 61
improve on the basics and findamentals, then go with a mid or true fat ski. You can easily handle anything on a groomer with anything in the mid to low 70's. I forgot about that AMC76 & 73 those are nice skis. Reagarding the Nitrous, unless you are a real light touch skier, you should be OK. I do agree you should narrow down the list and demo. To be honest, since you demoed and liked that 8, that's a gret ski and this years equiv is Fire 8 I believe is a great all around ski. You would be hard-pressed for better. Regarding tube, Yes, sportube is the only way to go. I actually use UPS and mail them instead of hauling around through Newark Airport. Not a ski friendly location.
post #28 of 61
There was a post re $199 skis a couple of weeks ago. I got a pair of Rossi B2's with bindings for $315. That's a great deal. Nice easy skis to ski and work very well on groomers and not too bad off.
post #29 of 61
You mean here? BTW, the AMC 73 and fischer RX6 are still available for $299. I would take the 73 over the 6 but can't go wrong from Sierra Jims shop on either one. Take a 2nd look at that 73 :0

http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/2,518.html
post #30 of 61
I guess I misread your post -- I thought you were looking to start to go off-piste. For primarily on-piste, a 70s waist should be fine.

And Jim's deal on the Fischer AMC 73 ($299 with bindings) in a 170 looks like it could fill your needs quite nicely.
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