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Question: Atomic SX12 for bumps?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Wondering what to do for bump skiing out east. I currently have Rossi Power Vipers (2002 I think) which I have used on bumps and they work great. But when carving they give away on hard pack.

I purchased a pair of 2007 SX12's late last season and didn't have much of a chance to try on bumps.

Not wanting to change skis back and forth as I don't ski bumps all the time, maybe 10-15% of the day. I try to ski all sorts of different styles, short snappy turns, bumps and flat out high speed carving along with everything in between.

Question:
Will the Atomics last in the bumps? I don't run the top of bumps, mostly at the mid-point (not troughs) which means the skis will flex quite a bit. I usually hit the bumps about mid point from the front of the ski, not at the very tip.

I've skied bumps for over 30 years, so my style is very refined and relaxed for the most part.

Thanks
post #2 of 17
SX line is not my first choice for bumps. SuperCross maybe. The SX12 is really a GS like ski in terms of construction and side cut. You sound like you can work it in the bumps just fine by your description of how you approach them. I know you will like the ski on the firmer surfaces. You really should by fine.
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
I think I remember one ski shop mentioned they would bend on bumps because of the metal inside and would not be covered under warrenty.
post #4 of 17
There's a warranty that doesn't cover them if skied on moguls? I'm skeptical.
post #5 of 17
I'd like to see that fine print.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
Funny thing, never seen the warrenty. No box, nothing. Just the bindings mounted and set and I was ready to go, oh and of course the bill.

Well I have all next winter to try to bend them, can't wait!
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by GR8TRN View Post
SX line is not my first choice for bumps. SuperCross maybe. The SX12 is really a GS like ski in terms of construction and side cut. You sound like you can work it in the bumps just fine by your description of how you approach them. I know you will like the ski on the firmer surfaces. You really should by fine.

the sx line is the supercross.....
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by atomicskiracer View Post
the sx line is the supercross.....
I love my SX10s but they totally SUCK in the bumps.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 2-turn View Post
I love my SX10s but they totally SUCK in the bumps.
Would you mind expanding why?

I did have a few softer bumps to ski the last two days of skiing in March. I found the SX12's went into the bumps good, but holy @#$% they really kicked hard coming out of the bump. I guess this is due to the stiff tail. But this added more fun from what I experience so far. Kinda of kicked you in the aird! Hopefully with some good conditioning on my part, I should be able to control this.

I've skied Rossis for so long, they ski much damper, maybe boring is a better word. When I demo'd the SX12's, I never felt such a big grin come over me. It was like I finally found a ski that was capable enough for me. But as I skied it more, I found it is much more capable than I am.
post #10 of 17
Because, super stiff shapely high performance carving skis are just about the hardest types of skis to use in bumps. Not to mention the most painful. I rode the SX10 for a while last year. Tip to tail, it is one of the stiffest skis I have been on. So yea it will punish you in bumps. They will work "ok" in some lines, especially if they are machine made and if you go relatively slow and make really rounded turns on the shoulder of every bump. But other skis are alot better at moguls in general and work better in a variety of lines.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Because, super stiff shapely high performance carving skis are just about the hardest types of skis to use in bumps. Not to mention the most painful. I rode the SX10 for a while last year. Tip to tail, it is one of the stiffest skis I have been on. So yea it will punish you in bumps. They will work "ok" in some lines, especially if they are machine made and if you go relatively slow and make really rounded turns on the shoulder of every bump. But other skis are alot better at moguls in general and work better in a variety of lines.
I just bought a pair of SX:7's. Obviously I didn't purchase them as a "mogul ski" but I'm hoping they are at least managable in the bumps. I am assuming the 7's aren't as stiff as the 10's or 12's, so maybe they'll do a little better. I'll report back once I've skied them a few times!!
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Because, super stiff shapely high performance carving skis are just about the hardest types of skis to use in bumps. Not to mention the most painful. I rode the SX10 for a while last year. Tip to tail, it is one of the stiffest skis I have been on. So yea it will punish you in bumps. They will work "ok" in some lines, especially if they are machine made and if you go relatively slow and make really rounded turns on the shoulder of every bump. But other skis are alot better at moguls in general and work better in a variety of lines.
Mostly what he said. I can take just about any ski through the bumps, including my race stock Atomis GS11s, but those SX10's were horrid in bumps. They are an all mountain ski, so I figured they'd be OK in the bumps, but they want to throw you out of the line any chance they get. I confirmed it with some skiers, much better than I, that ski them all the time. Their consensus was "oh yeah"
post #13 of 17
AtomicMan,
I know what SX stands for, but thanks for the point of clarification. There may be some folks who don't know wat supercross is and do know what GS is, so I went with that.

Greg
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by GR8TRN View Post
AtomicMan,
I know what SX stands for, but thanks for the point of clarification. There may be some folks who don't know wat supercross is and do know what GS is, so I went with that.

Greg
Aug 10, 2007

Hi Greg:

I agree with you. Three years ago, when I first got my SX9s as a Christmas gift from my daughter, I asked the local Atomic Rep (rep on the mountain): What are Supercross skis?". His response was: "Supercross skis are designed for Supercross events":. After a few days on the SX9s I figured out that if anyone should ask me about them (no one has), I'll just say that they are a "quick GS type" ski. Although the SX10s are the replacement for the SX9s, they must be a lot stiffer because of the magnesium strips on the top skin. Although not a good bump skier by any means, I haven't had too much a problem with the SX9s going through bumps at my "slow,lesiurely, relaxed (read not energetic)" style of skiing bumps.

CP
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
I can see that the SX10 are not suited for bumps. Is the SX12 the same ski just rebranded? I do believe they added the PB to the SX12, is that about it? If so, it sounds like the SX12's will not be good in bumps either.

FYI: I will hardly use this ski just for bumps, more like just to add some fun into the day.
post #16 of 17
The SX10, was basically their consumer level skicross offering. They also had the SX 11 and 12 which were slightly higher level versions. The 12 was basically their full on cross racing ski for competitions. I think the SX12 was eventually called the SX:B5. Last year the SX10 became beta5 too. I was talking about the old beta4 with the magnesium inlays.

My point was that most high performance carving and cross skis are a chore in the bumps. The SX10 was particularly a chore even compared to other similar skis that I have used. The SX12 is basically an even higher level cross racing ski.
post #17 of 17
The SX11 is a lot more ski than the SX10. The SX12 is the replacement for the SX11. If the SX10 sucks at bumps, you can be sure the SX12 will too.

I'm assuming you ski on mostly hard snow, since you got an SX12 and are out east.

A couple of years ago I tried out the SX10 and 11, though they may have changed since then. The SX11 can be skied in bumps, it gave me no problems and I suck at bumps, but I knew it was the wrong tool for the job. It really shines at carving turns at speeds over 20 mph, but because of their stiffness and edge grip they are not suited to typical bump skiing; they will be straight when other skis would be curved to match the terrain, and they will keep insisting that you carve your turns. My Fischer Worldcup SCs make a better bump ski than the SX11s would so long as the bumps are hard (they are still too stiff for soft snow bumps).

If you want high speed hardpack carving performance with ability to do bumps for 15 percent of the time, I would recommend the WC SCs or the old Rossi VS Oversize over the SX12. Though neither are good bump skis they get by ok, kind of like a Dual Purpose bike, gets by on trails or road. The SX12 (judging by the old SX11) is like a Honda Interceptor. Sure, you can drive it down a cow path, but it's no Moto-crosser.

Sorry I don't have more recent data, but after choosing my skis, I couldn't justify the expense of testing out new high-performance rentals.
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