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I Hate Salomon! - help :)

post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
I've driven two pairs of Salomons this season:

Salomon Crossmax 10 ('06)

Salomon Crossmax 12 ('07)


And I seriously hate the brand - I really don't get why anyone would ride those skis.. They are so random - in my opinion they do average in everything - nothing good about them.. Please help me understand why anyone would drive Salomon skis..

- Kasper
post #2 of 40
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
I've driven two pairs of Salomons this season:

Salomon Crossmax 10 ('06)

Salomon Crossmax 12 ('07)


And I seriously hate the brand - I really don't get why anyone would ride those skis.. They are so random - in my opinion they do average in everything - nothing good about them.. Please help me understand why anyone would drive Salomon skis..

- Kasper
Try skiing on them instead of driving on them. (I know - translation problem)

Before we start another (yes another... do a search for those who weren't here) thread talking about how horrible Salomon skis are - remember one thing about chosing skis: A lot of what goes into the purchase of a ski, and ultimately liking that ski, is personal taste. Salomons have a unique feel compared to most other brands, and have a very specific way they like to be skied on. In contrast, skis like Nordicas have a very different feel and way that the user should ski on them in order for them to perform thier best.

I used to race on Salomon race stock skis - they are great skis - but definitely have a unique feel to them in comparison to other brands. they definitely are not slow either... the Salomon LAB GS is one of the most capable GS skis I have ever been on; second only to my Nordica GSR's. I like Salomons - they are easy to ski on. The reason I don't ski on them anymore is they don't like to be pushed and tend to perform worse as your input gets more and more subtle and powerful (with the exception of their stock race skis). I still do own a few pairs, and from time to time can still be seen out skiing my Xscreams.

So bottom line... if you don't like Salomons - stop buying them and get something that you like to ski on. Figure out the qualities you want from a ski and find out what brand or brands are going to deliver those qualities and buy accordingly.

Later

GREG
post #3 of 40
Try some Salomon LAB skis or at least Equipe skis.
post #4 of 40
Salomon Equipe GC Race have had excellent reviews
post #5 of 40
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in my opinion they do average in everything - nothing good about them..
Same is said over and over about Rossignols. Must be because both are made by our dreaded enemy, the French.
post #6 of 40
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Originally Posted by nevils View Post
Salomon Equipe GC Race have had excellent reviews
And if I recall correctly, are the same ski as the Crossmax 12 which the OP ranted about.

But I remember those Equipe GC reviews -- I'd definitely like to try it.

A couple years back I demoed the Equipe SC and it was a lot of fun. Not at all "average," really an outstanding short carver.
post #7 of 40
Thread Starter 
Aha.. Thank you for the replies

- I don't drive Rossignols either..

- Maybe I ought to try some Nordica.. I always drive Fischer or Atomic - Change might be good this season

How does Nordica differ from other brands? - And which one of their models is the GS one?

And what about Head? Can anyone recommend them?
post #8 of 40
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Aha.. Thank you for the replies

- I don't drive Rossignols either..

- Maybe I ought to try some Nordica.. I always drive Fischer or Atomic - Change might be good this season

How does Nordica differ from other brands? - And which one of their models is the GS one?

And what about Head? Can anyone recommend them?
I highly recommend HEAD!
post #9 of 40
I highly recommend last year's Head iM72 and also would like to demo the Salomon Equipe GC Race
post #10 of 40
The only thing I've skied worse than Salomon was Blizzard, Stunningly dreadful. The only thing I enjoyed was taking them off.

I think Atomic is barely one grade better than Salomon, but as stated early on, everybody likes something different. Foam core skis are the Bose of the alpine world. Even though Salomon has tried to go to wood, I tried the Fury and the sandstorm and they made them feel like foam - utterly unresponsive.

I think every ski shop should have a generic aisle for Salomon and Atomic and just package them in plain brown wrappers.

Regarding Nordica, I've had two great days on the Hot Rod Top Fuel, and half of a bad day on Hot Rod Jet Fuels that I sent back in. Rossi B2's are ponderous with little feedback or snap, B3's are better, and B4's are a decent pow ski.

Just my opinion - yours might be different, but, of course, it would be wrong:.
post #11 of 40
Thread Starter 
What about Nordica Dobermann GS? Or Head's Supershape?

I want some fast skis - not all-mountain..
post #12 of 40
The answer to your problem is, avoid all large mass production skis. Their are many smaller companies that make excellent quality products. I like manufacturers who live or die based on the preformance and quality of their products rather than companies that live or die based on their advertising budget. It the Cadillac vs Bentley, or Ford Mustang vs Bugatti Veyron.
post #13 of 40
Not everyone can afford a Veyron, and besides I hear it's a little heavy for a sports car on a twisty road (not that I wouldn't want to test out that theory). I think he's looking for something like a Corvette, having only tried the G5.
post #14 of 40
"The answer to your problem is, avoid all large mass production skis"

Well, nothing like a nice blanket staement to put this all to bed.

No doubt there's some mass market crap, but many of the big guys take a pretty considerable amount of that otherwise ill-considered ad money and put it into substantial R&D,along with sponsoring the great skiers that give them the feedback to continue making the good stuff.

No doubt some of the little guys have nice products, but it's unreasonable to deny that the big guys make some pretty excellent stuff.
post #15 of 40
Salomon makes good bindings, boots, helmets, softgoods, and have made a few truly awesome skis.

They have also made a LOT of less than stellar skis. I still think they're a good company.
post #16 of 40
Great skis include the Supermountain, 1080, AK Rocket and others.

The skis tend to work best for lighter skiers and softer snow. If your a heavier ski, buy them long or you will be very disappointed.
post #17 of 40
I can recommend HEAD, I've had quite a bit and I always enjoy the product. I always thought I would like longer narrower models, fast sleek sexy, but you know what? The short fat models can be a lot of fun also (I just try to avoid my buddies when I'm with those). They resond well to less effort.
post #18 of 40
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
I can recommend HEAD, I've had quite a bit and I always enjoy the product. I always thought I would like longer narrower models, fast sleek sexy, but you know what? The short fat models can be a lot of fun also (I just try to avoid my buddies when I'm with those). They resond well to less effort.
This is when you want a whole quiver. Each one is different. Even models that have the same dimmensions have different characteristics and skill levels. Its best to give all a try. Just don't limit yourself to one.
post #19 of 40
Thread Starter 
Aha.. I'll test a whole bunch of skis on my next trip then the thing about small companies' products - can those skis even be tested? Never found a store that rents them out..
post #20 of 40
Well, I "drive" a pair of the Equipe 10 SC's... but I got them for free which is one of the advantages of working for a ski shop.

I really want to avoid the word "forgiving" because of all the negative connotations (at least in my mind) that is associated with that term, but they ARE surprisingly forgiving for the level of ski they're at. Now, I also find that they are just absolute dead silent at speed, which is something that I always look for.

This was also my very first pair of the exaggerated side cut style skis that I've owned (mine are like 11M), because of that reason, they'll always be a little special to me.

That being said, if you give me the opportunity to trade them for a pair of race tigers... I'll think about it for about 5 seconds, then promptly give my old skis away. Now thats great for me, but I would recomend my equipes to your average Joe Schmo who goes into my shop. Why? Because you can go balls to the wall fast without killing yourself, and retain a huge amount of control.

Another point, that allot of people that live near the mountain miss: Us guys, that actually have to drive to the mountain might not want the absolute best boards underneath us, because they will kill us (read as physically drain). Often I talk to guys that want boards that they can be on for a week or two straight, where they're sure as hell going to be tearing it up every day (because by golly they paid for it... and its their only chance all year). IMO, I think the equipes are a good choice for those kinds of skiers (far from the best, but good).

Like it or not, those kinds of people buy the majority of the skis, so its foolish not marketing to them. I think Volkl is a prime example of one of the guys that doesn't do a good job of that with some of their carving skis. Ever try to ski a 5 star slow? I'm fine with that, different strokes for different folks.
post #21 of 40
I had a pair of crossmax 10s. prob 03. one of the best skis I owned, now mine mounted with the pilot binding. Fun, fast, snappy. Built for skiercross. I broke mine, got an 800 credit from Solly for the broken skis.
post #22 of 40
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
Salomon makes good bindings, boots, helmets, softgoods, and have made a few truly awesome skis.

They have also made a LOT of less than stellar skis. I still think they're a good company.
I've apparently missed all of the truly awesome skis Salomon's you're referring to. Everything I'd been on have been dead - like a real ski that's completely played out. Rossi B2's are zippers compared to Sally's. Like my ex-wife, they look fine, but there's nothing there when you want press it.

OK, I admit that I missed the whole X-Scream series, but I've been on a bunch of the later things and they make me feel like my mouth does after visiting my dentist - slow and lumpy without a hint of feedback.

I tried the Fury and Sandstorm at the end of last season, and well, they were lifeless and dead - Salomon's.

Life is too short for Salomon skis - good boots though.
post #23 of 40
Hey, the guy hates a Salomon, put him on a Volkl or Nordica or Fischer. Life is too short. I'd say, get more than one. :
post #24 of 40
Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel, or Volkl AC30 (East) or AC40 (west). Light years beyond Salomon.
post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
I've apparently missed all of the truly awesome skis Salomon's you're referring to. Everything I'd been on have been dead - like a real ski that's completely played out. Rossi B2's are zippers compared to Sally's. Like my ex-wife, they look fine, but there's nothing there when you want press it.

OK, I admit that I missed the whole X-Scream series, but I've been on a bunch of the later things and they make me feel like my mouth does after visiting my dentist - slow and lumpy without a hint of feedback.

I tried the Fury and Sandstorm at the end of last season, and well, they were lifeless and dead - Salomon's.

Life is too short for Salomon skis - good boots though.
Although not quite my cup of tea, the 1080s were pretty revolutionary. The various (I think 4?) incarnations of the ak rockets are all well loved. In case you say thats really just one ski, they were all completely different designs. The only one I've been on is the swallowtail, but I absolutely love that ski, its one of my favorites.

EDIT: Salomon is becoming better and better in my opinion. For a while now (like I said before) they've made good stuff besides their skis, which has largely been mediocre noodles, with a few very good, and maybe less produced exceptions. Over the past few years, they have moved away from foam cores and soft skis. The x wing series can hardly be called burly, but its a step in the right direction. The releases for next year, such as the rocker, and the 198cm X Wing Lab, are looking like another very large step in the right direction. I think that within the next couple years they might be one of the best companies out there, everything considered.
post #26 of 40
Keep in mind that they've had a rough stint when they were owned by Adidas, now (as of 2005) they're owned by the same sports group that owns Atomic (Amer Sports)... I've seen steady improvement since the last buyout, especially in the 1080 line. I skied the Gun last year, and that was a fun ski, didn't have much of an edge, but it ate up crud, steeps and moguls.
post #27 of 40
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
they have moved away from foam cores and soft skis.
The Crossmax10s I had were wood core, It may have been the ONLY ski in their line at that time.

Damn fun ski!
post #28 of 40
Aside to what has already been said:
- not all skis of the same brand have necessarily the same „brand feel“ because sometimes they are manufactured by someone else
- typically, racestock skis are often different, the same applies for Salomon
- some skis retain their original qualities longer, some change faster (e.g. softer foamcore skis) so that it also depends on whether you compare new or older skis
- depending on changes in owners the brands change as well. Pre-Adidas Salomons were, at least IMHO, mostly great skis. Salomon had almost no inexpensive beginner models back then. Later, Verse and similar soft stuff appeared, evidently to address a new type of customers. Those skis were a damage to the traditional Salomon image.
- I´m no Salomon fan but I also owned a pair od racestock GS and they were great.
post #29 of 40
I love my Sollies....

I ski my old Pocket Rockets all over the place... on groom and in the rough. I beat the crap out of them and ptex the damage every week of use. No delams. I even got down a death steep that was frozen up with death cookies and chicken heads. Not going to win any mogul medals, but we get through them. Even though they turn on a dime, sometimes I just point them straight down the hill and ride 'em out.

The more I ski, I am convinced it is more about the skier than the ski. The skis just have to be wide and long enough to stay on top of the snow, and turn when you want them to. Bigger, heavier skis will push more crud. Hard to flex or easy to flex is just a matter of how you want to turn. Many skiers don't really carve their skis anyway and bindings have been put in the back to assist skidding. If you don't believe that, then match the center of the contact length to the ball of foot. I like the way the pr's are center mounted for easy swing.

Lifeless and damp? Maybe soft for easy powder runs. But if I am flying down a steep, I have no trouble picking up those tails on turns. Sometimes when I am jamming those edges and popping off small ledges I wonder where all this "dead" stuff is coming from. If someone were to say that to my face on the slope, then I would challenge them to a bonzai run down the ugly stuff. Ain't happened yet. Maybe if I had heavier skis then I could punch through that avy blasting debris.

Bottom line is to demo until you get a smile on your face, go long and wide and get your weight and hands out in front, pointed down the hill until you feel like you're flying.
post #30 of 40
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
Salomon makes good bindings, boots, helmets, softgoods, and have made a few truly awesome skis.

They have also made a LOT of less than stellar skis. I still think they're a good company.
Their boots.

For my feet anyway.

Skis? I let my wife try my too short (for me) Metron 9 (a 157) after I bought longer Metron 9s. She was skiing the Siam 8s in a 153. The Siams are for sale. She thought the Siam was a good ski until she tried the Metron.
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