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Video Movement Analysis Jr. Girl

post #1 of 12
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I found this random video on Youtube and thought it offered a lot of opportunity for you guys to look at a younger skier who is getting pretty high up in skills but, as in real-world coaching, has some room to grow. Watch the transitions which are very visible in this following video. Anyway, I'll just step back now.

post #2 of 12
Cool skiing, and great action video.

There is a lot of really nice things going on in her skiing. Shes carving and going fast. I see nice counteractive movements such as angulation and I see outside ski pressure, that is good. Once you have that in your bag you can progress in the right direction. However, look at how she brings in her outside hand infront of herself towards the end of the turn. That gives her a very square stance resulting in her hips to wonder towards the outside causing her skis to skid. She also needs to be more dynamic in the way she angulates. Now she kind of forces herself into an angulated position and by moving her outside hand infront of herselfe she cannot angulate more when she needs it. Angulation needs to be progressive. It needs to be in proportion to what is needed. After transition that kind of angulation is not necessary. Later on yes, and in some turns even more. All in all she looks very much like skilled jr skiers do out on the mountain. She will become more fluent and more efficient over time. My advice to her dad: dont try to fix anything. She needs just to ski ski ski.

TDK6
post #3 of 12
Two things stand out for me:
Park and Ride
Up move to start the turn
post #4 of 12
Rusty,

I certainly see the park and ride, but to me most long-radius turns end up looking like park and ride as there isn't much to do during the long wait for the next turn. Are there some good examples of long-radius turns that are not park and ride?

--Lee
post #5 of 12
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Rusty,

I certainly see the park and ride, but to me most long-radius turns end up looking like park and ride as there isn't much to do during the long wait for the next turn. Are there some good examples of long-radius turns that are not park and ride?

--Lee
agreed on the LR turns looking Park and ridey almost allways. Also the Atomic Sl-9 arent helping her case in these long raduis turns.

The upmovement is something that is present and isnt a good move in this sitution, but in some cases in can be a life saver to know how to incorrectly move accross your skis. So I would build more a larger skill set with a more direct movement into her turn with no upward movement.

I would like to see some short raduis carved turns before I would try to help out this young skier.

Cirque you just inspired me to have infamous "ears" girl MAed.
post #6 of 12
The up-and-down movement is something that is usually thaught to kids even in jr coaching. And its not that easy to get the kids to do exactly what you as a "dad" or "mom" or instructor or coach tell them.

Long radius turns?! She is carving turns on those skis and they come out like that. Not much she can do to tighten them up. How do you guys know its SL9's? To me they look much more straight.

How to ski long radius turns without park and ride.... read my previous post for more detailed explanation but there shoud be no difference between short and long radius turns when it comes to being dynamic. If she cranked out shorter turns they would still look the same.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by ilh View Post
Rusty,

I certainly see the park and ride, but to me most long-radius turns end up looking like park and ride as there isn't much to do during the long wait for the next turn. Are there some good examples of long-radius turns that are not park and ride?

--Lee
Lee,

Not sure, but some of Bergies turns in the Aspen ESA montage might be worth looking at. FWIW, shape skis turn so well it is easy to get seduced into park and ride. Making really really big turns and forcing yourself to stretch the movements out and keep them smooth and continuous is a good test to see if you've "got it". Funnel drills can help. Take short radius turns into progressively bigger turns then back down to progressively smaller turns. During these drills all movements should be smooth and continuous and you should not feel any edge lock. There should not be any waiting in ANY turns unless you are avoiding an obstacle.
post #8 of 12
She sticks her butt out! This innappropriate pelvic tilt is really limiting her. Can you see it?
post #9 of 12
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She sticks her butt out! This innappropriate pelvic tilt is really limiting her. Can you see it?
Limiting her from what?
post #10 of 12
A good little skier and pretty nice stance for her age. The video is awesome.
I noticed a little abstem as she transitions to the right turns causing a 1 - 2 transition. She stays nicly balanced over her skis through the turns and I espicially like how she stands taller toward the end of the clip (maybe flatter terrain).

RW
post #11 of 12
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Limiting her from what?
Hi tdk6,

Posture/skeletal alignment is a key in most sports.

Picture a mogul skier with their 'butt out' - no postural 'pillar' and no crispness in their execution.

In this position she compromises her posture, power, quickness, and accuracy - she'll have no spring in her step. She's stuck making one type of turn - as seen as a park and ride.

Her balance is chest forward - hanging. She'll tend to hang on her shovels. Her balance has no litheness, although she does show a budding sense of on snow rhythm.

Moving laterally, she'll look like she's wagging her tail, without much effect to the edges.

A tilted pelvis (arch back/ butt out) will cause the feet to pronate.

Her skis will always be 'mushy' from this position.

She will experience lower back discomfort in extended ski time as she gets older.

Her natural athletic ability will be compromised. She will be limited in her learning.

Go play tennis, basketball - anything that requires lateral movement - roll your pelvis, and play from that position. Kick a ball, whatever.
post #12 of 12
Great post Whygimf, I asked the Q simply because only stating her style was "limiting" could have ment a lot of things.

I pick up on many good observations in your posting but what really stands out is your comment about the importance of the "spring" factor. The way she skis she cannot use any ski rebound. She cannot keep unweighting to her feet, she needs to raice herself up in order to transit.
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