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post #31 of 46
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An unscientific personal opinion is that an individual ski style reflects the personality. I would offer that Heluva is more Type A assertive and the UL is more laid back.
I can't speak for UL, but I am a Type A for sure.
post #32 of 46
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Practicing deliberate up and down movements can do a lot more than just unweight; they can turn a statue into an accordion.
One hit so far Ghost......one miss. This isn't what I asked Heluva to do :
post #33 of 46
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One segment was cat's meow (to the right?) and the other was abowl (to the left?)
Cat's Meow is the trail to the right in the picture, and A-Bowl is just above to the left and out of view.
post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by med View Post
UL and Heluva,
You have done great work in sharing the entire series with the bear community – Thanks. It’s great to read a thread without the negative b.s., with no axes to grind. I really enjoy the collaboration and respect you give each other. For me, skiing with friends and shared experiences is what skiing’s all about. We all ski a little different, why accent the negative. I’d love to be riding a lift and have the opportunity to watch you ski. My sense is that both of you are your own harshest ski critics. Would you share any learnings?

An unscientific personal opinion is that an individual ski style reflects the personality. I would offer that Heluva is more Type A assertive and the UL is more laid back.

My other learning from this series is that I need to figure out a way to do LGC and observe in real time.
Thanks for your comments. I would like to address all.

I have great respect for Heluva. He is an excellent skier. His training is vastly different from mine. I am giant tool box guy and Greg is racing oriented. I taught and needed to be able to ski in ways that when slowed down (to demo what I wanted for students) I needed to learn to "show the moves" I needed without the speed needed to to normally effect the move. Greg goes fast, and that's his norm.

The big thing you are all seeing here is the 2 skilled approach vs. the 3 skilled approach. Next season I plan (and hope Heluva does) to jump into the course with him and go as fast as I can. I hope he kicks my butt. That way there will be no question that one of us can not ski better than the other......just different.

Would I share any learnings.....sure. If you are asking I am accepting. If you can get to LG IV, I will go out solo with you for 1/2 a day or longer on one of the "off days" if you want. You can tap into anything you want. How's that ?

Oh yeah....I should be considered a type A. As I told ssh earlier this season, "You guys just haven't seen me go skiing yet."

post #35 of 46
Helluva,

Do you use a rigid orthotic?
post #36 of 46
Yes, he does. Also, amazingly, his dobie 150s are completely unmodified except for a cant.
post #37 of 46
Is that why they're not buckled?
post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by whygimf View Post
Helluva,

Do you use a rigid orthotic?
I think it qualifies as rigid... it is a slightly customized AmFit footbed - about 2mm thick at it's thinnest point, and made from the more rigid AmFit material (still pretty flexible compared to coark and foam footbeds). Why do you ask? And more importantly - how could you tell? :

Later

GREG
post #39 of 46
I don't know . . . I find something inherently wrong with race-oriented movements in a mogul field.

Heluva, while a phenomenal skier on groomed terrain (judging from his other videos) seems very out of his element in a mogul field. I'm not trying to be mean, just making observations. He doesn't seem smooth, doesn't seem relaxed, and doesn't seem flow-y. IMO, I'd like to see the feet (and knees) a little closer together, the legs a little more loose (able to flex and extend easier) and the upper body not so rigid.

I think the guy who said that Heluva was "performing" while UL was just skiing was right on. Relax, Heluva. Listen to some Bob, take some deep breaths, and ski like you're actually having a good time.
post #40 of 46
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One hit so far Ghost......one miss. This isn't what I asked Heluva to do :
A miss it may be, but I would still like to see Greg skiing with the same looser connection to his skis as Greg is skiing with more relaxed absorption and extension, a softer suspension if you will. It would be very interesting to see Greg hovering over his skis without the race-tuned direct-connection suspension in his legs, but without Greg's rotation (third skill blended in). Not that there is anything wrong with blending in some twist and drift, just that it would be a thing of beauty to watch.

Speed might be problematic; without sufficient spring rates, the skis would be in the air a lot at the higher speed, making it a true challenge skill-wise. Perhaps a shorter radius ski or a wider swath across the hill (or both) could slow him down if needs be (I'm generally opposed to slowing down ).
post #41 of 46
Well, I've skied with heluvaskier and I know how well he skis. There is no question in my mind he's true to form racestock quick and stylish.

what I think the whole purpose of this video is as well as the other one posted is to show everyone that there are different correct ways to ski certain terrain. And while someone might look better to different individuals, is there really a correct way to ski moguls? I say unless you are in a mogul competition where turns, style and speed is the determining factors, in real life everyday skiing for most of the skiers out there, success is skiing a steep mogul run without falling and in control the whole way. Reguardless who is critiqueing and who is skiing, everyone skis differently. We are all different human beings with different bodies and natural abilities. We look different when we ski. We all can't look like Nelson Carmichael or Jonny Mosely. It also doesn't mean it's not good skiing or they could've done better. Should they have skied that run 20 times and edited the best run for our viewing pleasure? No. Taken for face value, both these guys skied this run effectively and efficiently and I think that was the real point of this video.
post #42 of 46
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And while someone might look better to different individuals, is there really a correct way to ski moguls?
Yes.

And I think UL is closer to it than Heluva.
post #43 of 46
Great videos, good to see people using bumps to learn more about technique. I thought the first guy had more "modern" technique, arms more locked in position, blockier, much more of an adapted GS style. Number two looked more dynamic to me, more the way I'd want to ski, but both these guys are obviously really solid, I don't think you can say that the stylistic differences are flaws on either side.
post #44 of 46
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Originally Posted by med View Post
An unscientific personal opinion is that an individual ski style reflects the personality. I would offer that Heluva is more Type A assertive and the UL is more laid back.

Interesting. I'm very type A in most things, but the turn I want to make in the bumps is the UL turn. In reality I can't come close to making the turn either of these skiers is making in the bumps and would be quite tickled to pull off either one. ~90 days until I get to work on improvement... and counting.

-Adam
post #45 of 46
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Interesting. I'm very type A in most things, but the turn I want to make in the bumps is the UL turn. In reality I can't come close to making the turn either of these skiers is making in the bumps and would be quite tickled to pull off either one. ~90 days until I get to work on improvement... and counting.

-Adam
Adam,
UL responded to my theory and I think he nailed it. UL is a ski pro and has learned to demonstrate many styles of skiing. He's showing one style in the bumps that would be typical of how he would teach, and, I think the more rounded style carries over to his other clips in this series. We are seeing UL's kinder, softer twin brother.

I think once a Type A person decides to do the bumps, it will happen come hell or high water. Go get em! My bump breakthrough was actively pulling my unweighted foot back under my hips to improve balance.
Hey, but I could be wrong!
Mike
post #46 of 46
Ever take a vehicle with a very stiff suspension quickly over a very bumpy road?
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