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Wide Salomon binding brakes

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I need to find a pair of Salomon bindings with wide brakes for a pair of 95mm skis.

I can find several acceptable bindings at a good price, but they all lack a wide brake. When I find a Salomon binding with the right size brake the price is hard to swallow.

I would be willing to buy the binding and brake separately, but I can't find anyone who will just sell the brakes.

Can anyone recommend a source for wide Salomon brakes?

Michael
post #2 of 20
Check untracked.com

They used to have them.
post #3 of 20
When you find a screaming deal on a pair of gripperz, it's generally because the dealer bought them on closeout from the manufacturer. Generally, the mfr. does not have many wide brake models on closeout, hence few deals (STRIKE ONE)

Aftermarket brakes roll from year to year so there is no reason for the MFR to sell them on closeout...hence few deals (STRIKE TWO)

There is quite a bit of demand from folks trolling for deals. More demand than supply generally means that there is little reason for a dealer to offer a giveaway price on a wide brake. Folks eventually pay the price (STRIKE TWO and 1/2)

In this case, take the deal on the binders you want. A brake may turn up cheap but if not you are still ahead of the game. Pay the freight for the brake in the fall. If you wait and wait and ponder and dig around, you may find a cheap brake but you could also miss the deal on the bindings altogether. Then it's (STRIKE.................)

SJ
post #4 of 20
There are instructions at TGR for bending narrower ones. But if you are not a do it yourselfer, then - as noted above - www.untracked.com is your source. Not only do they stock virtually every fat brake I know of, they actually know which is which. This won't matter fo Salomons, but it sure matters for Tyrolias, etc...

You might find that the price of brakes is hard to swallow though. No matter where you find them. Seems as though Salomon probably has as much profit baked into a set of brakes as in a std pair of bindings! I'm pretty sure you can find Salomons with the brake size you want for less than the price of buying any narrower braked Salomon binding and adding a brake. Unless you already have a binding you can switch around...
post #5 of 20
95mm isn't that ridiculous. You should easily be able to bend the stock brake arms to fit.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
There are instructions at TGR for bending narrower ones.
In particular, consult the canonical wide brake information thread.

As Jim suggested, buy the good binding deal now, and deal with the brakes later. Salomon brakes are really, really easy to bend or to swap.

There are bending instructions linked from the thread, and I've found that a good tool for bending stuff like this is a 24" length of galvanized pipe from the hardware store.

If you want to buy rather than bend, keep an eye out for brake deals; sources are linked in the thread. If you find a good deal on even wider brakes, pick them up, because you'll be able to find someone on TGR who wants to swap them with you. (That's how I ended up with appropriate-width brakes for my wife's 95mm-wide Phat Luvs.)
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
Great ino everyone.

I'm still considering the situation.

For example I can find a new Z12 ti with an 85mm brake for about $125 plus $10 shipping. I could probably bend the brake on this one.

Or, I have found a new Freeride 916 with a 100mm brake for $200. The Freeride is the real-deal race binding with a 9-16 DIN, I usually set my bindings at 8 DIN.

I might also find something like a S 811 PS for $90, but I would need to add a wide brake for $45.

Jim (as usual) understands the economics as well as the gear.

Should I just get the Freeride 916 knowing its the best value and can probably be sold for $125 at some future point after many days of use?

Michael
post #8 of 20
For obvious reasons, I would not go with a 9-16 DIN binding if I planned to set my bindings at 8. I try to stay at least 1 or 2 DIN off the rated minimum or maximum. (Which means, not to beat a dead horse, you should be fine with a 10-DIN binding.)

I would avoid the Salomon Z series, which is rapidly gaining a poor reputation. If I were going for a current vintage consumer Salomon, I'd go with the STH series.

Assuming that you're not going to ski these for four months, if I were you, I'd set up a SAC notifier at sacattack.com and wait it out for a bit. I got two pairs of S912 B85 last fall for $80 each.

Why do you need Salomons in particular? Are you mounting these on Salomon skis, and want to increase the warranty duration, or is this just a preference issue?
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
if I were you, I'd set up a SAC notifier at sacattack.com and wait it out for a bit. I got two pairs of S912 B85 last fall for $80 each.

Why do you need Salomons in particular? Are you mounting these on Salomon skis, and want to increase the warranty duration, or is this just a preference issue?
I have a pair of never-seen-snow Rockets that have been drilled for Salomon bindings. The boot length of the prior owner is approximately the same as mine. I would like to avoid additional holes in the ski.

I would love to score the S912 for $80.

Cheers,

Michael
post #10 of 20
Aaaaah. Gotcha.

First of all, which model of bindings were they drilled for? It's my understanding that there are multiple Salomon hole patterns.

Also, I'm not sure whether screwing twice into the same holes is necessarily a better idea than drilling a second set of holes.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Aaaaah. Gotcha.

First of all, which model of bindings were they drilled for? It's my understanding that there are multiple Salomon hole patterns.

Also, I'm not sure whether screwing twice into the same holes is necessarily a better idea than drilling a second set of holes.
In the case of the foam core PR it will depend upon condition of the holes and the original methodology use to install/remove. It's possible that the holes/threads are in good shape. It's also possible that they are not. A proper insert job is probably stronger than an original mount in this type of ski. Any good shop will know to not use epoxy on these.

FWIW...I also do not suggest the 916. That binding is only marginally functional at DIN 9 because there is precious little pre-load on the spring. For proper anti shock, RTC, and retention....I suggest that binding may need to be set at 10 or higher. (all normal waivers, cautions, conditions and "you're gonna die" warnings apply to the prior statement)

Sign here................................

SJ
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
In the case of the foam core PR it will depend upon condition of the holes and the original methodology use to install/remove. It's possible that the holes/threads are in good shape. It's also possible that they are not. A proper insert job is probably stronger than an original mount in this type of ski. Any good shop will know to not use epoxy on these.

Sign here................................

SJ
Hi Jim,

Mine are the '07 black & white Rockets, these are the wood core, correct?

Here is another detail, these have been drilled twice; once for demo bindings another time for the retail Salomon's.

Should I just remount with something else? I already own several pair of almost new Look Pivots I could install.

Michael
post #13 of 20
The retail Pocket Rocket has never been a wood core. You want to have at least 1 cm between screw holes and with that many holes already in place....you are probably on borrowed time after the third mount.

Heck you'll prob'ly blow 'em up on the second or third fitty footer.

SJ
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Mine are the '07 black & white Rockets, these are the wood core, correct?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The retail Pocket Rocket has never been a wood core.
I think he's talking about the AK Rocket, not the Pocket Rocket:



If these are the skis, they are indeed a wood core.
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
I think he's talking about the AK Rocket, not the Pocket Rocket:



If these are the skis, they are indeed a wood core.
Thats the one!
post #16 of 20
Solly brake arms are super maleable and you will have no problem bending them. I just bent a pair of Look ZRS brakes to fit around my XXL's. Now that was a pain.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Thats the one!
They are actually an Isocell Wood Core meaning that they are a wood core, wrapped in isocell foam. I think that is why there is so much confusion about whether they are foam or wood, since the true answer is "both". Click on the link below and select 'core' and then click on 'Isocell Wood Core'. It even gives you a nice little illustration.

Salomon Technology Link

I have the 1st Gen AK Swallows which were mounted with 912 Ti's and now 914's. Hopefully they were mounted on the line and not the dot (assuming your version has those two marks). The more rearward line makes them perform very well in both pow-pow and all-mtn. Not sure what the future will hold for mine with both Pontoons and Praxis in the quiver, but they a fun sticks for sure.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
They are actually an Isocell Wood Core meaning that they are a wood core, wrapped in isocell foam. I think that is why there is so much confusion about whether they are foam or wood, since the true answer is "both". Click on the link below and select 'core' and then click on 'Isocell Wood Core'. It even gives you a nice little illustration.

Salomon Technology Link

I have the 1st Gen AK Swallows which were mounted with 912 Ti's and now 914's. Hopefully they were mounted on the line and not the dot (assuming your version has those two marks)...
Hi BD,

Thanks for the great info, we have similar tastes.

I know most Salomon skiers are going to never forgive me for this, but I'm strongly considering a Tyrolia Railflex binding.

This being the 3rd and final binding install, I will need something that allows the installation flexibility of a demo binding, but without the bulk. I also like the +1.5cm and -1.5cm feature of the Railflex.

Am I loosing it?

Michael

Michael
post #19 of 20
I've heard that the RailFlex can get a little sloppy after 30-40 days of hard use. But assuming that you're not planning to use these as a groomer ski, that's probably not a big issue.
post #20 of 20
Railflexes work fine. Easy to adjust. A bit high. Salomon Smartrack would also be an option if you want to stick with Salomon. Buy options, if you are inclined that way, are available for fat brakes on both. On the RFs, most dealers seem not to know the difference between RF brakes and regular Tyrolia brakes. If you buy rather than bend, get the right ones...
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