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Review: Two Bro Models, 188 Stiff, 192 Stiffer

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I got the chance to ski both the 188 stiffs and 192 Bros a couple weeks ago. I dont really have the time or energy for long reviews either so I will just cover the important stuff, if you have any questions id be happy to answer them.

The Reviewer:
6'4
175-185lbs
Very Strong Skier.
Expert Skier who learned to ski after straight skis had gone out of fashion.
Enjoys making modern carved turns.

Ski One: 188 Stiff Bro Model
  • Pretty light, dont have a number but felt pretty light on my feet
  • Stable at speed in most soft crud. Speed limit was noticeable though and once I started really hauling ass the ski started flopping so much that I had no confidence that it would keep me on.
  • It worked on groomers but I would prefer most any other ski in its class for groomers.
  • Tail slid out of turns easily could be a good or bad thing
  • Not very much rebound feels "dead"
  • Over all this ski was very much a "meh" ski. I could tell how it would work well in all conditions but the ski didnt really do anything for me. As well as it worked I just could not find anything that really called out to me about the ski.
  • My feelings about this ski can pretty much be summed up by the words "Nothing Special"
(Categories rated out of 5 thumbs, thumbs down = poor performance thumbs up = good performance)

Weight:
Crud:
Groomers/Carving:
Powder: N/A
Hucking: .5
Versatility:

Overall:


Ski Two: 192 Big Bro
  • STIFF! Very round flex too. When comparing to my 189 Rossi Squads it would appear that the tip is as stiff if not stiffer than the squads with the tail and under foot sections being a little softer.
  • VERY VERY VERY HEAVY! There is NO REASON that this ski should be this heavy, a single ski was probably comparable in weight to a pair of 186 mojo 90s . RIDICULOUSLY HEAVY.
  • Very stable at speed
  • Carves very well for a ski with a 115 waist. Much better than the narrower ones.
  • Lands well of hucks
  • Very awesome ski.
Weight:
Crud:
Groomers/Carving: .5
Powder: N/A
Hucking:
Versatility:

Overall: .5


I know this review was weak but I got board about 3 min in and I have a lot of other stuff to do. If you have any questions about how the skis skied I remember very well and would be happy to answer any questions.
post #2 of 18
kinda of my thoughts..... too never have posted a full review though.

I have skied on 179s soft and stiff, 188 soft,stiff, super stiff, and a pair of 192s. IMO the 192 arent only easier to ski but just did everything better.

I wouldnt recommend the 188 and shorter bro to anyone but the FKNAs are a good ski for the right person.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
After reading the thread in the gear forum about reviews I thought I might add a little more information to make the review more helpful.

Me: Likes going really fast, hates going straight. Loves carving if possible if not I prefer to start all my turns with a carve and then slide my tails across the fall line but that is not to say in instance where other turns would be more appropriate I do not use those. I try my best to stay centered on my skis but am not always perfect. I am more likely to be driving to far forward than to be sitting in the backseat. I like and can zipperline most moguls. I tend to ski with a lot of angulation.
post #4 of 18
Interesting review, Phil.

I can only speak about the 188 superstiff, those were still stable when 'hauling ass' as you say. Might be the added stiffness, dunno. They were some of the elder batches with way too much camber. This sucked, that's why I finally ditched them. Would like to demo a bigger 192 Bro for comparison too.
post #5 of 18
James Bro sez: Yooowwww!!!
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post #6 of 18
PS. a lot of people like these skis a lot. I got some blems last year (179 softs) while I was waiting for these and agreed. The new run is being manufactured in Switzerland by AK.
post #7 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Crab View Post
PS. a lot of people like these skis a lot. I got some blems last year (179 softs) while I was waiting for these and agreed. The new run is being manufactured in Switzerland by AK.
Should be a huge step up in QC.
post #8 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
Ski Two: 192 Big Bro
  • STIFF! Very round flex too. When comparing to my 189 Rossi Squads it would appear that the tip is as stiff if not stiffer than the squads with the tail and under foot sections being a little softer.
  • VERY VERY VERY HEAVY! There is NO REASON that this ski should be this heavy, a single ski was probably comparable in weight to a pair of 186 mojo 90s . RIDICULOUSLY HEAVY.
  • Very stable at speed
  • Carves very well for a ski with a 115 waist. Much better than the narrower ones.
  • Lands well of hucks
  • Very awesome ski.
Weight:
Crud:
Groomers/Carving: .5
Powder: N/A
Hucking:
Versatility:

Overall: .5


I know this review was weak but I got board about 3 min in and I have a lot of other stuff to do. If you have any questions about how the skis skied I remember very well and would be happy to answer any questions.
Just an FYI / update regarding your comments on the weight of this ski. We had the same feelings as you regarding the weight of this ski, and that there was room for lots of improvement. So for this season, the weight has significantly been reduced, while maintaining the same stiffness and burliness. Weight is now less than 5 lbs which for such a big ski is very noticable.
post #9 of 18
Interesting review. I skied a pair of 192s at Mt Hood this past summer. Carried them to the top of the mountain twice and didn't find them overly heavy. Agree with how they performed.

I skied a pair of 188s for over 30 days last winter in Europe on everything from mush to boilerplate. Found them extremely stable and smooth at speed and liked how easily I could scrub off speed on the steeps. Would definitely pick it as my one quiver ski over anything else I've skied.

I'm 5'11" and weigh 185.
post #10 of 18
Demo option on the 192s would be nice but no reason to swing over the pond. Any demos in Europe?
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by PowHog View Post
Any demos in Europe?
Not at the moment, but that may change.
post #12 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
Not at the moment, but that may change.
Thanks Tyrone, although it doesn't really help me.
post #13 of 18
According to TGR, many people who ordered the BROs about now Sept did not get them until the end/late last season.

Frankly, I think the BROs are an admission ticket to the global ski frat of bros. Very cool. But not a product for someone expects to get what they order in a resaonable time period, like 2-4 months.

Totally unclear whether they ski better than other choices since many of the owners of the BROs tend to be investors, unpaid marketing reps, TGR devotees, looking for a 'core' liftline connection, etc.

How does anyone get to demo these skis?

I will sacrifice a goat, start practicing Santeria and maybe create a shrine to the chupacabra....but I doubt that will get me a set of BROs to ski on for a run.
post #14 of 18
I've found the easiest way to demo a Bro is to hook up with somebody who skis them and just happens to have a similar boot size. I've found that "most" owners of Bros are pretty stoked on 'em and are totally open to letting people try them. At least out this way, they are (hence the most in quotes).

That's how I got to "demo" the 179's last season. Just happened to be in Mammoth for the Maggot Gathering and was able to ride a fellow's reveler's sticks for a few runs.

I've found that Ty and the rest of the PM folks are really open about demoing, as long as you're at the same resort they are. They always gave me an open invitation to demo some if I happened to be out and about when they were.

On another note, I'm curious, is it true what Mr. Crab said?

"PS. a lot of people like these skis a lot. I got some blems last year (179 softs) while I was waiting for these and agreed. The new run is being manufactured in Switzerland by AK."

I love me those AK skis (own the No Ka Oi and King Salmon, both RIP).
post #15 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post

On another note, I'm curious, is it true what Mr. Crab said?

"PS. a lot of people like these skis a lot. I got some blems last year (179 softs) while I was waiting for these and agreed. The new run is being manufactured in Switzerland by AK."

I love me those AK skis (own the No Ka Oi and King Salmon, both RIP).
Yes it's true. Not all of the skis will be made be made by AK Skis (www.ak-ski.ch and NOT www.akski-usa.com who is the past US distributor of AK Skis), but depending on the model, production will be split between AK Skis in Suisse and PMG's small shop in Reno. This is a solution to the delivery problems from last year Telski alludes to above.

Telski - Regarding demos...PMG is a VERY small company. Last year there was 1 full time employee, just a few part-timers, and there are no reps. Going full-tilt-boogie with demos across the country would be a bit of an overextension at this point.
post #16 of 18
for folks in and around and coming through denver/front range/summit areas, please pm me, and i would be happy to arrange a demo on some 188 stiffs and 192 very stiffs. both are mounted @314, and should accomidate 304-324 or so.


oh, and the 192's i have are about the same weight as my 194 xxls. which i would say are about average for this stiffness/width ski. they also have a longer running length, and generally dwarf them.
post #17 of 18
^i may take you up on that Marshal, as i plan to do some skiing in your neck of the woods this coming season.

i'm sporting 305mm shells...



i rode a pair of the 179's back in April at Mammoth. Only took one run on 'em in borderline slush. they didn't immediately grab me, but then i've talked to enough people who really dig these planks and i am coming to the conclusion that they're not appropriate for my skiing style (i find that folks who really love the Bro favor straighter, stiffer rides). that said, i'm into giving them another go as i very much enjoy riding with all the folks who carry change for a nickel.
post #18 of 18
sure man, drop a pm whenever.
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