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How often do you fall?

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
In another thread, someone said, "In nine days of skiing this season (starting on March 9th) I fell 12 times. Not good...". This started me thinking:

While there have already been threads on Epic about the frequency and utility (or lack of utility) of falling, I never saw any attempt to find out how often people usually fall. Hence, this poll.
post #2 of 38
"Weebles Wobble but they don't fall down"

My only fall on the slopes this season was after hitting a jump. As I was coming off of the jump I noticed a boarder sitting adjusting his binding just below it in the run out. Rather than hit the kid I sat the landing.
post #3 of 38
I find that if I push myself to work on my technique in terrain that I'm not comfortable with, or just trying something new, there will be at least one situation a day where I'm going to take a dump either because I don't want to get further out of control or I just simply made a technical error! I suppose it's the price to pay for pushing at my own personal envelope ...
post #4 of 38
I feel falling is a part of pushing boundaries rapidly. Can you push your boundaries without risk of falling? Sure. Can you push your boundaries quickly and aggressively without risk of falling? A resounding no in my own experience. I try to get better by magnitudes every time I go out and my blood and sweat are the price I am willing to pay for skills that allow me greater fluidity and enjoyment on the slopes. I have twisted a knee, aggrevated various lower leg injuries incured previous to the season, and broken a thumb but I have been lucky enough to achieve a total breakthrough every season so far (I've only been skiing for 6 years). That is not to say, however, that falling means injury, I generally fall at least once every day out while pushing my carve radius, carve speed, jump distance, technical aspects and any other aspects of my skiing that I am not comfortable with. To quote (kinda) an oft-lamented philospher, "I Ski hard, therefore, I fall "
post #5 of 38
I don't necessarily equate pushing myself and falling. When I am pushing myself, I do get over the edge. However, my capacity for recovering without falling has improved over the years. I tend to think of form breaks as a better indication of how hard I am pushing myself rather than falls.
post #6 of 38
I hate falling! I'm old and heavy and it's just no fun. Since I've worked on using both feet independantly (like doing 1000 steps) my frequency of falling, and almost falling, has diminished to an acceptable level, and most falls are the graceful sit-down on the side of one's bum at slow speed types.
I'm down to about 1 proper fall per season currently, so that's 2 falls per year. Which is quite enough.
post #7 of 38
Thread Starter 
Just so people are aware of the discussions that have previously taken place on this topic, as I noted above, there have been a couple of very long threads about the pros and cons of falling:



The latter went on for 5 pages b4 AC decided to close it. There are also quite a few threads where this topic is discussed but is not the main topic of the thread.

Obviously this is a topic near and dear to the hearts of many people. I didn't want to stir things up, but just wanted some idea of the norm (if there is one) for people one Epic.

Tom / PM
post #8 of 38
I was told once that if you don't fall you're not trying hard enough.

post #9 of 38
I crash BIG ... not often ... but BIG :
post #10 of 38
Maybe it the old 'No falls, no balls' syndrome, but I know what I'd rather have. !!!!

I took a big one towards the end of the season, shoulder (ouch) no major damage, but heavens it took ages to right itself.
post #11 of 38
2 memorable falls this season:
once on ice - both skis off, 50ft slide face first down the mountain and once cos I sneezed & lost my balance :

Fox hat - you fall alot then I assume?

post #12 of 38
Originally posted by skibunny:
2 memorable falls this season:
once on ice - both skis off, 50ft slide face first down the mountain and once cos I sneezed & lost my balance :

Fox hat - you fall alot then I assume?

Did you sneeze and lose balance whilst sliding? must of looked spectacular !
post #13 of 38
It was a blue, but by the time her nasal cavities had evacuated, it had become a green run...

post #14 of 38
Surely Fox there must be a point when a Green run turns into a Brown run? especially if sliding on ones face for a period of time? Not sure that FIS officially recognise Brown yet?
post #15 of 38
ha-ha boys, (s)not funny!
It was a really pathetic flat blue run, but it was one helluva sneeze!

did you know that you instinctively shut your eyes when you sneeze, otherwise your eyeballs would pop out?...

Foxy, I notice you're still not admitting to how many falls you had this season - 1 post per fall & it might up your quota to over 5,000 !! (I know you can take it)

post #16 of 38
As long as I don't wipe out next to chairlifts or in full view of sun-terraced mountain restaurants... :
post #17 of 38
I don't fall when I don't lean, therefore my falls are dictated by my technigue. eabrown
post #18 of 38
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
I was told once that if you don't fall you're not trying hard enough.

I was also told the same and I agree totally!!!!
post #19 of 38
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
I was told once that if you don't fall you're not trying hard enough.
I think that might have been me that told you that, maybe not. Sounds like something that I would say.

Anyway, come on, if you are falling, your are learning. Every fall I take, I take something away from it. I've ass-over-teakettled down the Cirque, I've ping-ponged down tight chutes and I've just fallen over in lift lines. Everytime I do something like this, at least once a run, I learn something about my skiing. Something that makes me more aggressive, gives me knowledge of my equipment and so on. Learning to fall properly is key to not getting hurt. Falling is not bad.
post #20 of 38
I had an injury shortend season (non skiing injury) and only skied 9 days, this is the first year I ever remember with zero falls
post #21 of 38
Does taking a full somersault in the powder and landing on my feet and able to keep on skiing count as a fall? [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #22 of 38
Re: 'not pushing yourself hard enough to get better'.
Any pushing is too much pushing; any hard is too hard.

After not skiing for 15 years, I returned to the sport with the clear intention of NOT pushing myself to get better, but to let myself flow down the mountain, carving every turn, and using the minimum effort necessary to slow down when the slopes were crowded (when I learned to ski in the 70's, I was influenced by Denise McLuggage).

Now that I'm back, and skiing on sticky mounds of mashed potatoes separated by sheets of ice (Hunter Mtn), my ideal is simple: learn to do the right things by doing them, and never falling; rather than learning the wrong things, by falling, and trying not to repeat them.

I didn't fall on April 3, 6, 12 or 13, my last 4 days for the season.
post #23 of 38
falling and skiing is always an interesting topic, in part because you can sometimes gain a little insight into one's approach to skiing, as well as different takes on what constitutes a good ski day. i have known a couple skiers who not only count their falls (or lack of them) but YOURS as well. i have seen people i think are very good skiers who rarely fall, even BETTER skiers for whom falling is an everyday experience, poor skiers who "never" fall, and skiers like me, for whom cattracks and flats are danger zones.
post #24 of 38
It isn't that you should measure how hard you're pushing yourself by how often you fall - just that if a fear of falling is holding you back, you can't possibly reach your full potential.

I know personally, I've never gotten hurt falling (other than maybe a bruise or a sore neck from cartwheeling or something). But I HAVE gotten hurt trying not to fall.

I've had days this season where I fell half a dozen times, and other times where I went for weeks without a wreck. Sometimes I had no idea what I did wrong, sometimes I was experimenting with something (skiing on one leg or leaning WAY over and ending up flopping on my side), and other times I learned rather obvious lessons: Don't land in the same bombhole in the powder that 15 other people have landed in before you or you will double eject when you hit the 4 ft wall on the other side of the hole. Double check your DIN when you get your skis back from the shop - when the DIN is down to 6 they will fall off immediately upon jumping into powder.

I don't think you should focus on NOT falling any more than I think you should focus on falling. Focus on skiing!
post #25 of 38
As stated earlier by others, if I'm not pushing myself I won't fall. If I fall now and then I am pushing myself to the limits of my ability in hope that the next time I try the same thing I won't fall. I also am a boarder and I believe we boarders tend to fall a bit more then skiers since we don't have the "yard-sale effect" to deal with when we get back up, so falling is of no big consequence.

I really don't mind falling for the most part, no big deal. At 41 years old I don't want to kick back and coast or I will get old before my time. Got to stay on top of my game, as they say.

[ April 17, 2003, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: MrHyak ]
post #26 of 38
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
I was told once that if you don't fall you're not trying hard enough.

My old tag line.

For anyone that responded to the survey that they fall anything less than 1 x per ski day, YOU ARE LYING unless you are a complete Bunny skier.

Nothing wrong with losing an edge when you're having fun.

Mothing wrong with providing a little entertainment to the people on the lift above! I'm coming down the Needle's Eye lift line a couple of weeks ago, nice powder and all. A couple of Bozo's on those ski blades in font of me, causing a bit of congestion. Decide to go off the trail to get around them. End up doing a tumble into a Powder pit, HEAD FIRST! If you were on the lift above, you see the bottoms of my skis. Someone did come to see if I was alright, which was nice. Ended up having to kick my skiis off to get out of the pit.

[ April 17, 2003, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: CAPBOY ]
post #27 of 38
There are a whole lotta people on this forum that fall a whole lot less than I do.
I guess I just do a lot of things at the edge of my balance envelope and just plain don't mind falling.
I don't fall where it counts if that is in question.
post #28 of 38
I don't fall, I practice for sledding mini air in the pain mcshonke open.

Or if you prefer I don't fall I slid with style
post #29 of 38
Thread Starter 
So many people participated in the survey about falling at the start of this thread that it may be possible to get some demographics and other info on who falls frequently and who falls infrequently.

The median of the distribution in the previous poll is about 1 fall in 5 ski days, so I'm going to ask people to split themselves up into three categories:

(a) The "Infrequent Fallers" said they fall once in 10, 20, 50, or 100 ski days. They should answer Poll#2 and not Poll #3

(b) The "Frequent Fallers" said they fall once in 2 days or more frequently. They should answer Poll#3 and not Poll#2.

(c) People on the border between these two groups (ie, those that checked the box, "one fall every 5 days") should not fill out either poll. This will help get a good separation between the demographics of the two groups.

PS - I inadvertently set up these two polls such that it will be impossible for people in one category to view the poll results for the other category without voting in it, and I can't seem to change this option after the fact. Please restrain yourself and don't cast a dummy vote just to view the results - it will mess up the count. I'll post the results in a day or two, after the voting taperers off.

This should be interesting. Thanks for participating.

Tom / PM

[ April 18, 2003, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #30 of 38
Lucky the thing about falling to improve is a complete furphy! Or only those under 30 would be taking up skiing. Fall if you want to, but it's not essential, it's not your ticket to instant improvement. Skiing at the edge of control/disaster is probably exciting for the young. I remember getting quite a buzz out of it in my 20s. But it was in my 30s that I started to really improve my skiing, and falling was not a frequent occurance, by my choice.
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