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Atomic Metron comparisons to Zenith 9's

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I was set to pull the trigger on some Zenith 9's based on research and many comments from the knowledgeable folks in this forum after learning of a great deal and wanting to replace my old skis. But now I find I am too late to the trigger on the size I need as it's sold out. So I am digging deeper and I am in less rush except that I need the off season deal and don't mind last years versions.

I am wondering about the Atomic Metrons. The Metron and Zenith seem to have much in common, and the Metron may be in better supply for out of season deals. At least it gives me two possible skis to look for. I ski a 7 yr old Atomic 9 18 now and want to replace them with another single ski. I can't complaign about them at all but I am looking for a little more 'all mountian' feature as I am at home in the blue and easy black groomers but found the oversize appealing to try for some other conditons more seriously than I have in the past.

In reading this forum the Metron 9 or 10 seems the most similar to the Zenith 9. Maybe the Metron 9 may be more like the Zenith 5 (softer) and the Metron 10 more like the Zenith 9. But all I have is reading others reviews and no experience on either of them.

If I liked the Zenith 9, spent most my day on groomed blue slopes, like shorter turns, smaller bumps, but do not do well yet on the steeps or in powder (so I don't go there often but want to keep working at it); which skis would you recommend I look at in the Metron line up? I'm 6"1", 185 lbs, ski 8 times a year in Colorado, and I like to push myself most of the day so I continue to improve what I can handle, but I would not describe myself as aggressive.

Many thanks,
Tom
post #2 of 24
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Originally Posted by Tbarb View Post

I was set to pull the trigger on some Zenith 9's...............But now I find I am too late.........I am at home in the blue and easy black groomers...................If I liked the Zenith 9.............I would not describe myself as aggressive.

Tom
Tom:

I have taken the liberty of distilling this down to the sentences that matter the most.

The ski you should buy is the Z-9 because you tried it and liked it. But!! you have been bitten by the deal game. The closest ski in feel is the Z-5 and given your self description, I doubt that you'll grow out of it. (you might, but I doubt it)

The Atomics have a different feel and less forgiving personality than the Rossis. However, of the Metron series, the M 9 and 10 are their best skis for your level of skier.

Some skis in this hybrid carver category that have at least a similar feel to the Rossis are the Contact 10, and 11 from Dynastar. They also may be hard to find by now, (especially the 11) Both of those are a possibility from a "feel" standpoint although I would say that both Dynastars have more juice than their Rossi cousins.

SJ
post #3 of 24
Skis I've skied on in this class:
Metron B5
Metron 11
Balanze 11
Zenith 9

Of these skis, the one I liked the least was the Z9.
The Balanze 11 is most like the M10(IIRC)
All in all these skis all have similar properties where turning & edge change are factored.
All of these skis turn very nicely, with a surprisingly nice edge to edge transition.
Where they differ is the energy, stability and weight.
The B5 was more like an SUV, keeping a stable contact with the surface at all times, Heavy!Kind of a park and ride ski.
The Balanze 11/M10 maintained the same stability and surface contact, but is more nimble and has a bit more energy.
The M11 skis like the B5 but with less weight and can get thrown around a bit if you're not prepared for it. Still, I really liked the M11 and had fun playing with it.
The Z9 was very similar to all of these, but had an uninspired feeling for me. Just didn't have the energy or life of the Balanze11/M10 Which is the best bet for your ability and desire.

Are you really married to this shape of ski, or would you be interested in trying some of the new exciting stuff that has followed this technology?
I think the nordica hot rod line has some great stuff that blows all of those skis away!
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
The Balanze 11 is most like the M10(IIRC)
I thought the Balanze 11 was the same ski as the M9.
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
I thought the Balanze 11 was the same ski as the M9.
That is probably the fact.
I was trying to remember which of the two, and don't quite have the mind like a ski encyclopedia that others here have.
post #6 of 24
Not very similar skis. I've skied the Z9 in 170 and B5 in 172, found the Z to be very damp and stable in tough conditions (washboard crust at the top of Copper breaking through to pow), a bit stiffer up front than I expected, but nice predictable flex pattern, really versatile well-mannered ski that does everything you ask well.

B-5 at 172 was too long for me, (it's a beefy ski at 162), so hard to make a fair comparison. Was stable, heavy, liked to lock into a single radius and carve hell out of it, not as secure on sheet ice as I expected, not very happy in bumps (can you tell I didn't like it?). Might have liked the 162 more, but OTOH, it has an even tighter radius, even more about turn/turn/turn...

So for me, I'd take the slightly vanilla but extremely competent Z9 over the one-great-trick pony B-5 any day. For someone who skis 8 times a year, no contest. But can't speak to the M 11 or other Atomics that might be more appropriate for you.

If you have time to pick, and want to "keep working" on the backside as well as perfect your carve, IMO there are better skis than the B-5/11/Z-9/5. You might think about the Salomon Tornado (pretty much sold out for 07, but 08's should be even nicer), or Dynastar Legend 8000's, which will handle everything but ice wonderfully and are dirt cheap right now. Both fit well with your level, and both will grow with you. The new Head iM78's sound fairly great too. You can go longer in the 8000 or Sollies, stay short with the 78.
post #7 of 24
tom, you have given us no info as to your physical make up. the metron b5 or metron 10 would be a better stick for someone who was larger while the rossis are better for a lighter person. you really have to crank on a b5 to get it to ski the way you want. the rossi on the other hand is a more forgiving ski
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your comments. It would appear I was 'in somewhere in the glidepath' when I selected the Rossi Z9 initially. I'll view your other suggestions but perhaps the order of Rossi Z9, then Z5, followed by Metron 9 then 10 would be an order to keep in mind.

For my skill level I might need to be on alert at all times on a Metron and the Zeniths might allow me more room with my less than stellar technique. If I am going to push harder to tame the steeps and try more powder as well is a more forgiving ski better since these new terrains for me will pull out my errors?
Tom
post #9 of 24
Tom,

I own the Z9 and also ski on Atomics as well. When I was looking for a "mid-fat" I demoed not only the Zenith, but also the Metron 10 and 11. Having always skied on Atomics, I fully expected to be impressed with the Metrons and bored with the Rossignol because my past experience with a Rossi had been the Bandit, which I was throughly unimpressed with when I tried it a couple of years ago.

Much to my suprise, the Z9 blew me away, extremely stable on any surface, quick edge to edge, damp but with great feel and response.
The Metrons were great skis, but they weren't as responsive or agile as the Rossi, which seemed, for me anyway, to out perform the M10 and M11 in every way. I'm al level 6-7 skier who skis mostly in the east, but takes a couple of trips each year to Colorado (where I demoed the skis). I'm always working to get better and develop more consistant technique, the Zenith has been a great tool in doing that.

I'm sure you'll be happy with either the Atomic or the Rossignol, but for my money the Z9 is one of the best advanced skis out there. I plan to be on mine for a looong time.
post #10 of 24
Um.........maybe I'm a little bit off, but I thought 74 in the waist wasn't really considered a midfat.
that's a fairly narrow waist by the current standard of skis.
The Z9 is definitely a carver.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Um.........maybe I'm a little bit off, but I thought 74 in the waist wasn't really considered a midfat.
that's a fairly narrow waist by the current standard of skis.
The Z9 is definitely a carver.

On the extreme low end of what's still considered "midfat"...I don't think this will be considered "midfat" after this season anymore.

I love my fat skis, but I think , at least in terms, it's getting a little ridiculous now...My 106mm waisted ANT's aren't considered true fats anymore!
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
I don't want to over stay a welcome on this thread, but I have a couple more questions since I located a Metron 9 ski and may buy it. I was primarily looking for the Zenith 9, but frankly this Metron 9 is so low priced for a new ski and binding that if they blow up when I try them am confident I can bail out at a similar price at the beginning of the season and run on the Atomic 9.18's I have until I locate another.

I know the Metron 9 from comments here will be slightly tougher to ski (this may be due to the tail size and stiffness so it may not be as easy for me to slide the end of my turns, but this could force me carve better perhaps)

1. It's a 06 model. Is there any big differance between it and the last year 07 model everyone was commenting about. This one is bluish and brownish.
2. Are the binding integrated on this ski or can I have the Axial2 installed on it. I guess I am asking it it has a plate also on the ski that will be under the bindings.
3. I'm 185 lbs and 6'1" so I am considering this Metron 9 at 171cm. Sound about right for a blue and easy black groomed skier who wants to get in some more back bowls and continue to steeper terrain?

Many thanks again. From all your comments in a few posts I could narrow down to a few choices from a sea of confusion.

Tom
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Um.........maybe I'm a little bit off, but I thought 74 in the waist wasn't really considered a midfat.
that's a fairly narrow waist by the current standard of skis.
The Z9 is definitely a carver.
I ski in North Carolina.....74mm is a midfat.
post #14 of 24
Tbarb,

If you demoed the ski and know you like it how could anything I say or anyone else says actually change your mind? SierraJim gave you the best advice so far IMO. Just buy the ski you know you like. I Never skied the Z9, M11 (non-Beta5), M10, etc... so I can't really comment. But most of the skis in that size range ski pretty much the same with some differences in feel. I doubt you would be seriously disappointed by any of those skis if you liked the Z9. I guess that means you should buy the cheapest thing you can find right? Err... no. Just buy what you want and don't feel bad if it costs more. This is a hobby, you are wasting money by definition
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Tbarb,

If you demoed the ski and know you like it how could anything I say or anyone else says actually change your mind? SierraJim gave you the best advice so far IMO. Just buy the ski you know you like. I Never skied the Z9, M11 (non-Beta5), M10, etc... so I can't really comment. But most of the skis in that size range ski pretty much the same with some differences in feel. I doubt you would be seriously disappointed by any of those skis if you liked the Z9. I guess that means you should buy the cheapest thing you can find right? Err... no. Just buy what you want and don't feel bad if it costs more. This is a hobby, you are wasting money by definition
What he said^^^^^^^

Well, except,..............its kinda fun to see how much confusion we can cause.
And HE did ask, after all what the differences were.
And He did ask a group of Gear Junkies!
And...........well, you know..........I really don't have to explain.
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
Let me clear this point up. I have never demo'd anything. The whole point of my seeking the advice of knoweldgeable 'gear junkies' as trekchick put it was to confirm my presumptions and interpretations from what I had read and researched and especially to raise a red flag if I was going down the wrong road from folks who had skied these models and could draw some distinctions between them. I thought I would let that point go with so many commenting that someone would answer the questions directly. The questions were posted because I have not made up my mind. The only thing I am sure of is I want to replace my skis with an all mountian hybrid carver type ski - wider and shorter than I have now - but still a carver. I selected two competitor ski lines - the Rossi Zenith and the Atomic Metron and was asking direct comparisions between a couple of the models. If price was no consequence and time either for that matter, I could demo them all at the new seasons start and buy both. But unfortunately, this is not an option and I must choose. It has been interesting and frankly a little vicarious buzz takes place looking at this gear out of season. I can see how so many who love the sport can keep it goping throughout the summer.
Tom
post #17 of 24
To answer your question directly...Between the two, Atomic vs. Rossi, I think the Z9 is a much more versatile "all mountain" ski, and thus overall more fun/bang for the buck.

If it were me, with the same criteria, I'd get the Z9 hands down (currently own the Z5 and am contemplating procuring the Z9 this coming season).

The Metron is super fun, but more of a one trick pony.

My best friend, who's a level 8-9 solid skier, had always ski'd skinny straight skis until this last season...I loaned him my Z5's for the first couple weeks of the season and he thought he was in heaven...Then I introduced him to Gotamas, which he now owns a pair, and he's never been the same (he's now talking about getting some fat BRO's).

I literally had to force him to ski my Z5's for the first time because he thought all this shaped/wider stuff was just crap.
post #18 of 24
T,

I am very much the same skier as you. 6' 175# 48, ski maybe a little more agressively than you, but not much. My bro in law owns ski in ski out house in Breck that my son and I visit once or twice a ski season. (we live in Cleveland, or would certainly be there more often.) So only about 6-8 times a year, not counting Ohio crappy warmups. Last year I demo'd 4 skis, M9's,10's, Dynastar 8000's and 4800's and nordica burner model, can't remember which one, think the nitrous.

Decided I liked the M9's the best and pulled the trigger last summer. $325 with Atomic bindings delivered to my door. You will surely do better than that, I would guess. Honestly, the Dynastars and Nordica's felt different then the Atomics, I couldn't feel any difference between the 9 and 10's. And I would venture to guess I would have been fine on any of them, given my old skis were so sh@##y!

So my .02 is buy the M9's for the "deal" and you will be good to go. If you ski more later, look at changing in the future. Mine are 171 cm's and I am a happy camper.
post #19 of 24
Quote:
If I liked the Zenith 9,
I misinterpreted this statement to mean that you had tried it.

SJ
post #20 of 24
Whoopsie! I was confused too.

Well I have to say you should check out these skis here, any of them should be good for you in an appropriate size and the deals are killer. System skis $299

Atomic Izor 9.7 Atomics advanced / intermed level carver. Many people like these and they are supposed to be pretty easy going IIRC.
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1573.htm

Volkl AC2 Last time a demoed a ski from the AC line (AC3 I think) I didn't really like it too much but these might be good for you.
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1467.htm

Metron 9
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,2814.htm

Nordica Modified. These were my favorite of nordica's hot rod lineup from last year. I demoed them all and I actually liked their narrower hotrod skis more. Its not too hard to ski IIRC. There are others from the hotrod lineup available on sierrajim's site too if you want something more aggro.
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,2955.htm

Fischer RX6 supposed to be a great intermediate level ski.
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1626.htm

Other options if you want a flat ski:

M10 (requires neox)
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1036.htm

M11 B5 I thought this was really easy to ski when I demoed it. My wife loved the M11B5 too when she demoed it, i was her favorite ski in that category. Its a classic midfat. I think it has a nice blend of properties and is an archetypal of the classic midfat that was popularized a few years ago. Versatile, definitely not a 1 trick pony. Maybe 164 is small for you. On second thought, no. (requires neox)
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1512.htm

Sally XW tornado
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1506.htm

Rossi B2
http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1655.htm
post #21 of 24
^^^^^^^^

You're hired........

SJ
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for hanging in there with me.
Tromano - whew - thanks for all the link work!
SJ - You're first post was still very helpful, thanks (looked in on your website over past few days several times and did not see the Metron 9 Tromano listed)
buz - more in common than even what you list - spent 12 years in OH (Cols for myself). Yeh, can't say big things about the ski hills there except that they top the ski Kansas poster I saw. I'd be here near the mountians only a few times a year as well if I could not have got the company then to move me in a merger.
memosteve - right on - direct

I pulled the trigger on an '06' Metron 9 a few hours ago before it got snapped up for a crazy outragious price and I am looking very much forward to the first run. The Z9 does look on paper slightly better, but I cannot find it in my chosen size anywhere or for that matter close to the Metron deal. I'll probably have to demo the 08 Z9 model when the slopes open up just to know the difference now that I've got all this research in my head just to see what bears out in practice for my style; though I can't imagine being dissapointed by the Metron.

Thank you all again. I look forward also to lurking now and absorbing a lot of this information in the various forums. I'll have to join this season.

Tom
post #23 of 24
I will take beer in lieu of commission.

post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by Tbarb View Post

I pulled the trigger on an '06' Metron 9 a few hours ago before it got snapped up for a crazy outragious price and I am looking very much forward to the first run. The Z9 does look on paper slightly better, but I cannot find it in my chosen size anywhere or for that matter close to the Metron deal. I'll probably have to demo the 08 Z9 model when the slopes open up just to know the difference now that I've got all this research in my head just to see what bears out in practice for my style; though I can't imagine being dissapointed by the Metron.

Thank you all again. I look forward also to lurking now and absorbing a lot of this information in the various forums. I'll have to join this season.

Tom
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