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post #91 of 93
Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Hi, Si.

I have a question that I hope can be answered without resorting to proprietary "system" speak.

Why call it the "old outside ski"?

Isn't it the *inside* ski we're talking about?

That's never made any sense to me. :

Aside from that, I'm a big fan of using it in drill situations. I think it's very useful as a way to gauge where a skier's balance is and to build balance if it's not in the right place.

I often use it with students on easier groomed slopes. If a skier can lift the tail of the inside ski in the early stages of a turn and maintain that position through to the next transition, they will very likely have their weight centered to slightly forward. If that skier can't balance on one (outside) ski, then we need to work on more fundamental balancing skills.

If they can lift the ski through the turn but the tip is higher than the tail, it tells me - and the student - very graphically that most of their weight is on their heels. I find that's a very effective way of demonstrating to a skier that their weight is back, particularly when they've been protesting in other drills or situations that they really think they're forward.

I also still use a lifted inside ski a lot when I'm working on my own skiing - for all the same reasons.
I think Bob has nailed the one ski turn, I use it all the time when working with skiers who are learning the proper balance stance, especially skiers coming from the stem christy world, lifting the inside ski but keeping the tip down works well to get that balance that we are looking for, with that said, to be specific with advanced skiers and to reply to the specific question asked here, in pure quick carving turns as in slalom turns two skis on the snow are quicker than one, assuming we are on a modern slalom side cut with a 155-65 r turn radius. Assuming we already know how to turn these skis and are comfortable and skilled on them you will finsd that turning with 2 skis is quicker simply because we eliminate the amount of time used to lift that inside ski. We are only talking a milli second here, but, a milli second times 70-80 gates it begins to add up. There is no hard fact (we only turn this way) in sking especially racing, we use what is needed to get the job done at the point in time. No 2 turns are ever the same. The stem turn is still used today by top racers from time to time when they need it for what ever reason. Bode uses it a lot in GS, watch his videos and slow motion the tape and watch carefully. Also you will see a lot of single ski turns as well, and not always the outside ski, but, 2 skis on the snow will generally turn quicker than 1.
post #92 of 93
Originally Posted by weems View Post
Good point.

Except you can't start bending the inside ski when it's in the air, and you can't start working the snow with its edge when it is in the air.

I like it in the snow. I think it's quicker to roll it over without taking it up first. I also like the feel of the instant engagement of both lines (platforms) out of both edges. It's the same awareness I have when I dive across to the new turn, rather than going up before going across. The feeling of continuity is more satisfying, and I think in many cases it is faster (again because everything moves toward the turn rather than away from it).
I'm going along with Weems on this discussion. I believe that if one lifts the new inside leg at the transition, then the skier must move upward creating some lag time before moving into the next turn with the body mass. What month is it? What am I doing here????-----Wigs
post #93 of 93
This is turning into a funny thread.

I'm sure that some objectors are taking this from a purely hypothetical standpoint. Note well! I am not singling anyone out at all please do not take offense.

Lift/tip/pull back are simple words to understand. However, until one has actually done it correctly, both supporters and detractors are posting pure conjecture.

Get out there and try this on your inline skates: See if you can commit your entire bodyweight to the outside carving skate, then transfer weight to the other leg as the carving skate turns back under your body. The drill is called "Aggressive slalom". Betcha you'll lift the other leg -- 'cuz if you don't you won't have the entire bodyweight committed!

Then try carving with two skates on the ground. Make no scrubbing noises. Figure out what technique (one/two footed) gives you tighter arcs.

And before there are any theoretical objections to the way inline skates turn vs skis, they perform in an equivalent manner for the purposes of this drill - deformation of the wheel = creation of platform.

Try it!
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