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Quiver lineup for 08' season

post #1 of 101
Thread Starter 
OK, yes, it's summer, I need to divert my attention away from the technique forum so here's the question

I am trying to finalize my quiver, one for East coast and ski trips inluding Whistler and J-hole and one quiver for Steamboat. Here's what I have so far. Help me decide what to dump and what to keep at home (east coast) and what to leave at Steamboat.

2 pairs of Supershapes. I think should dump at least one pair.
Mojo90's
PE's (new, unmounted)
Just ordered Monster 78's from Dawg.

My thought was to have the 78's at Steamboat and either the Mojo90 or the PE's. Then have one air of SS's back east with either the Mojo or PE.

What should I do? Sell what, keep what and at which location?
post #2 of 101
Assuming you can afford to play with your quiver: keep a pair of SS for the east and one in the west; get a pair of GS racing skis to complement the SS in the east; sell the rest and get a pair of Dynastar LPs for the big Western Mountains. Of course your tastes may not be mine, but that's what I would do.
post #3 of 101

Not enough

Unless you really like the supershapes get rid of them. I would consider purchasing the Elan Magfire 12 and 14/Magma, so I can borrow them. Glen Plake used to ski a GS level ski for K2 soooo, I'm thinking the Elan's have some similar characteristics. They should be kept at Steamboat.
post #4 of 101
Keep one pair of the SS's for ice/tight spaces everywhere and eastern trips. Keep either the Mojo 90's or the PE's for big mountain/backside pow out west (I'd pick the 90's). Keep the 78's for big mountain/crud/groomed.
post #5 of 101
Thread Starter 
I want to have two pairs at the boat. I think the 78's would be a fun ski when there are no freshies the 78's are going to be nearly as much fun as the SS's but with more versitility (bumps) and easier on my knees. The PE's or Mojo's seem like good fits for up to a foot or so. After that. I can rent/borrow. The east coast is my problem I guess. I am torn over the SS's. THey are awesome skis for sure but I keep thinking that it would be better to go with something else. For versitility. It needs to be good on icy crap but also useable for softer snow. I don't think we ever get good powder anymore. But I do travel upstate NY to ski with a friend at Bristol, Holiday valley and Hollimont.

Beyond, I was posting at the same time. good ideas. I think that's what Phil recommended. Do you think the PE's are OK for East coast junk days? Never skied them. Got too good of a deal to refuse.
post #6 of 101

Heads

So, you have 4 pairs of Head skis? I bought the Public Enemies as my east coast ski for bumps/jumps and they could also function out West. I haven't skied or mounted them yet as you have. I was guessing by popular opinion that this would be a good all around ski. As for east vs. west? I bought them for both. You aren't allowed to get rid of them before you try them. I want to be able to compare notes.
post #7 of 101
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
I do travel upstate NY to ski with a friend at Bristol, Holiday valley and Hollimont.
We should make some turns sometime!

I'd keep the two Supershapes, keep the IM78, keep the Mojo90's, and sell the PE's. Ideally you should swap a Supershape for a Supershape Magnum (for out west), but those aren't going to come cheap this year I don't think (rockin ski though). Did you go long on the IM78 (it looks like a turny SOB)?

East: Supershape and IM78
West: Supershape and Mojo 90

That said, you need to add a real ski to the eastern quiver to take with you when you hit JH and Whistler. Something like a Supermojo 105 might do the trick (if you're into sticking with Head)... then you can travel with the Mojo 105 and the IM78 or the Supershape. Personally, I prefer to travel with my DP's and my SLR's.

Later

Greg
post #8 of 101
Thread Starter 
Greg, I'll let you know when I am going up. I was thinking to use the 78's as my groomer ski out west and the other SS's for back east. The Magnum would be a great trade-off for east coast for sure but unless I get a killer deal, that's not going to happen. Excellent Idea. I could probably have the folks at my condo ship my skis for me for J-hole or whistler. I keep a sporttube out there. I was thinking the PE"s would be fun on east coast crud junk days. I am really trying to keep the shippingof skis back and forth to a minimum

I got the 78's in a 171.
post #9 of 101

PE's

Another point on the PE's you may want to consider. They are likely going to be more forgiving if you start slamming stuff. Keep those knees up.:
post #10 of 101
Thread Starter 
That' was my hope...I was just concerned they were too soft for EC heavier crud. My 82's were great crud busters....
post #11 of 101
FWIW, the SS's rock in NE crud and boot top pow, even OK in bumps. Somebody here (RadRab??) uses them as their everyday all-mountain ski. So how often does NE get more than 6" of pow, how long before it's down to the ice again, and will that dump correspond to your trip? Only reason for wider back here on a planned trip would be if you do the woods, don't like your bases. In which case, keep a high 80's beater at a friend's house...
post #12 of 101

too soft

Well, neither of us are going to know if they are too soft until we actually ski the PE's. As far a the Supershape magnum, this looks like a nice ski, however, you are getting pretty close to several of the other skis that you already have. I mean supershape?, magnum(71), 78, PE (85), 90...
You are going pretty well across the board with waist dimensions. I have the Rossi Z9, which is pretty close in dimension to the Supershape. I like the Z9 for east coast and it functioned pretty well out west also. It is a short turner really. You have some skis already that fall into that category. My personal bias is against superfat skis, I won't get into that.
post #13 of 101
I'd vote for Supershapes and PEs in the East, iM78s and a ~100mm waist ski for the West.

FWIW, that Western quiver would mirror my wife's two-ski quiver pretty well -- Dynastar Exclusive Legends (77 or 78 in the waist) and Phat Luvs (95mm). I practice what I preach.

(My own quiver is a bit more, shall we say... complicated.)
post #14 of 101
Thread Starter 
the mojo is 89...? Pretty floaty..
post #15 of 101
I haven't skied the Mojo, but I understand that it's pretty stiff. There's more to float than the waist. I like my stiffer midfats (Fischer Big Stix 84s) as crudbusters and groomer skis, and something softer for softer snow.

Also, float is more of a tipping point phenomenon, based on factors including waist, stiffness, speed, attack angle, etc. The difference between a 90mm and 100mm waist isn't 10 or 11%; it's more likely to be 5% or 50%.
post #16 of 101
Thread Starter 
understood, my experience with it has been that it floats pretty well. It's stiffer, but not all that stiff. just not a noodle. I agree with your comments, the PE is actually a floaty ski even though the dims may indicate otherwise. Thanks.
post #17 of 101

pile of rocks

Ok I'm ready.... Any of the skis that you have listed will "float" you to ski the best the Christmas Tree Bowl has to offer. I mean don't you want to sink in the pow some? You have a 15 day pass to Steamboat? If you get dumped on, or Heli ski Valdez, demo some powder boards. The torque a superfat creates on your knee out of the pow isn't going to be fun.
post #18 of 101
Thread Starter 
All good points and yes, Johnny, I don't really want to surf the pow. Beyond, i have skiing the SS now for 3 seasons. I love the ski but I have found that wider skis are just more fun and easier in softer snow and cutup. I have bad knees and a day on the SS's really takes its toll. I will keep them for sure for my east coast ski along with the PE's. radrab and others use them as everyday. They are great but you can't relax on them and play around. In heavier crud, they will get very hooky.

Alpine, there are a couple of reviews on the 90. In my opinion, its an overlooked, under rated ski.
post #19 of 101
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Alpine, there are a couple of reviews on the 90. In my opinion, its an overlooked, under rated ski.
No doubt. And in case it was lost in the mix, my comparison to the Big Stix was intended as a compliment -- I love those skis to death. Just not on a powder day.

My bloated 2007-08 quiver, from narrowest to widest waist (which is also, strangely enough, from oldest to newest, and with one exception, from shortest to longest):
  • 200cm 2000(?) Kastle Carvemachine National Team GS (100/65/86; Marker M51): Because on days when the hill is skiing like an icy race course, I prefer to use a ski designed for it.
  • 177cm 2000 Volkl Vectris V20 (103/65/91; Salomon S912): Great short carver for on-piste days; turn on a dime. But the bases and edges are really thin, so they're probably getting replaced by...
  • 178cm 2001 Dynastar 4x4 Vertical Limited (103/67/88; Salomon S912 or Rossignol Power 110): a.k.a. the 4x4 ATV with a funky Hawaiian-style wood grain graphic. Not yet skied. Based on the dimensions and reviews, I expect these to be slightly less turny than the Vectris, which is ok by me.
  • 186cm 2002 Fischer Big Stix 84 (116/84/103; Salomon 912): These became my go-to everyday ski this spring, because they have enough width to harvest corn, enough beef to bust crud, and enough sidecut to blast groomers. After initial dislike in December 2006, I grew to love these so much that I picked up a pair of 2001s on eBay as insurance against the apparently inevitable delam.
  • 188cm 2006 PM Gear Bro Model Soft (125/99/114; Rossignol Power 140): These were my go-to everyday skis until I fell in love with the Big Stix. The perfect everyday ski for a good snow season in the Sierra, which last year unfortunately wasn't.
  • 188cm 2007 PM Gear Bro Model Midsoft Blem (125/99/114; Marker Duke): Not yet skied. Backcountry, sidecountry and patrolling rig.
  • 195cm 2008 Praxis Powder (124/136/131; Mojo 15): For groomer days, natch. Not yet skied.
So I commend you on your restraint.
post #20 of 101
Not sure how it happened (it wasn't planned) but my three main skis will all be Nordicas.

-- 2006 177cm Nordica Ignitions (122-84-112 with Rossi Power 140 Axial)
-- 2003 177cm Nordica Beasts (124-92-116 with Salomon 912 Ti)
-- 2006 185cm Nordica Blowers (139-110-129 with Rossi 120 Axial2)

Rounding out my quiver are:

-- 2005 178cm Rossignol B4s (122-94-112 with Salomon 912 Ti)
-- 2005 175cm Volkl Superspeeds (115-70-99 with Marker Race Piston....)

I have some Rossi B3s I love but they are overlapped by the Ignitions and Beasts. I still haven't decide if I'm keeping them or selling them.
post #21 of 101
I would have thought that the 82 was a better all round ski than the 78 for west. mojo quite stiff would not call it a powder ski and certainly not as good as the Madtrix that it replaced. I think you would get better value from the 88 if you like Head or for the west do go for the 105. I had a very good day with a friend in deep powder this year (me on my DP pros) and they seemed like very good skis.
post #22 of 101
Thread Starter 
Alpinedad, Now I feel inadequate! i need more skis....

Andrew, The new 78 is a bit more versitile than the 82 with a decided gain on the groomed. The 82 is a fantastic ski in all other respects. I aslo agree that Mojo90 is not a true pow ski but is quite capable in pow up to a foot or more and has proven to be very nimble in the trees and moguls. It can also perform well on soft groomed. The 88's are a great ski but not as nimble or versitile as the new 78. Take a look at Dawgs review http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...hlight=Monster This is the exact ski I was looking for. I am not totally sold on the Mojo90 but I was really impressed for the several days I was on them. I really should look to add a powder ski, especially now that Alpinedad and Rio have posted thier quivers....
post #23 of 101
Family collection of higher value skis;

160cm Fischer RX8, 21 year old daughter
160cm Atomic GS9, 19 year old daughter
165cm Fischer RX9, 19 year old daughter
165cm Fischer WC SC, Dad's hardsnow carver
175cm Fischer RX8, 17 year old son's
178cm Dynastar Contact 11, Dad's all mountain carver
186cm Volant Spatula, currently out of place
188cm Dynastar Inspired by Nobis, currently out of place
194cm Dynastar Legend Pro XXL, Dad's big mountain & soft snow conditions
195cm Salomon AK Rocket Swallowtail, 17 year old son's

an average of $335 per pair w/ bindings

Michael
post #24 of 101
Thread Starter 
King of gear-whores, hands down goes to mr. Barrett (and that's a compliment) You are STILL my hero You notice I am working hard towards jr. whore status with two ski purchases this summer.....
post #25 of 101
What's scary is that total cost on all those skis, including bindings, was under $2000 -- and since the two most expensive pairs of skis (the Bro Softs and Praxis) were gifts, my total out of pocket was under $1000. It's my dirtbag quiver.

Here's the news flash: The Mojos will probably do wonderfully well over a foot. It's when you get under that that you're more likely to have problems.

Think about it -- skis don't float less in deeper snow. Just about any ski will do well in the deepest snow. You really need float where it's shallower, to avoid hitting bottom.

That's why I was suggesting pairing the im78s with something floatier and softer, for fresh days and the day after. If you can rationalize a three-ski Western quiver, keep the Mojos as all-around, go anywhere, and bust crud skis.

Honestly, if you hadn't just bought the im78s, I'd probably be suggesting the Mojos and a fatty as a Western quiver. But I hang out more on TGR than here, and I've never been to Steamboat, so YMMV.
post #26 of 101
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Rio, those Igniters are interesting, What are they like? I have skied Nordica's before and liked them just felt they were very stiff.
post #27 of 101
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King of gear-whores, hands down goes to mr. Barrett
Wait a sec -- those were only my skis. On the family quiver front, I'll see and raise.

alpinemom: 160 2006 K2 Phat Luv; 158 2007 Dynastar Exclusive Legend; 160 2002(?) Salomon Verse 8W; 158 2006 Fischer AMC70 (currently available for $200 obo)

alpinegirl (age 10): 136 2006 K2 Apache Jr (with 146 and 153 waiting unmounted); 143 2006 Line Celebrity; 136 2003(?) K2 Public Enemy

burgerboy (age 7): 118 2007 Rossignol Bandit Jr; 119 2006 K2 Juvy; 110 2002(?) Volkl G3 Jr (probably will be given away after early/rock season)

stringbean (age 7): 128 2007 Rossignol Bandit Jr; 131 2006 Fischer Riu Jr; 120 2004 Rossi Xi


Quiver shot a few months ago, before the first round of storage waxing:


And the kids with their birthday quiver:
post #28 of 101
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
What's scary is that total cost on all those skis, including bindings, was under $2000 -- and since the two most expensive pairs of skis (the Bro Softs and Praxis) were gifts, my total out of pocket was under $1000. It's my dirtbag quiver.

Here's the news flash: The Mojos will probably do wonderfully well over a foot. It's when you get under that that you're more likely to have problems.

Think about it -- skis don't float less in deeper snow. Just about any ski will do well in the deepest snow. You really need float where it's shallower, to avoid hitting bottom.

That's why I was suggesting pairing the im78s with something floatier and softer, for fresh days and the day after. If you can rationalize a three-ski Western quiver, keep the Mojos as all-around, go anywhere, and bust crud skis.

Honestly, if you hadn't just bought the im78s, I'd probably be suggesting the Mojos and a fatty as a Western quiver. But I hang out more on TGR than here, and I've never been to Steamboat, so YMMV.
Alpine, all very good points. Here's the exact need. I do enjoy carving and rippin on groomed runs when there's nothing in the trees. My favorite ski had been the Supershape. It's hard on my knees and you can't really relax and cruise on it when you want. Also, if there is softer snow, its more work on the loose stuff and moguls (its actually pretty good though). The 78 will fit this bill perfectly. They rock on groomed and hardpack and are very good in loose, some crud, moguls and up to several inches of pow. This leaves the Mojo then to fill in on pow days and when there is leftovers and such. I skied them in about 4" one day and was impressed with the "float" (4" isn't really much to judge by) and that they didn't bottom out; but I will admit, my experience is limited so I may learn that I need something different. The local favorite at SB is the PE BTW. Interesting comments about the deeper stuff though.
post #29 of 101
Thread Starter 
BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN,,,,BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN....

Micheal Barrett has lost his king of the Gear Whore Status to ALPINE DAD, Jusdges are still awaiting a roster from Phil Puglese...........

Cute kids...I bet they rip...
post #30 of 101
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN,,,,BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN....

Micheal Barrett has lost his king of the Gear Whore Status to ALPINE DAD, Jusdges are still awaiting a roster from Phil Puglese...........

Cute kids...I bet they rip...
LOL,

Alpinedad, nice kids & gear, I like the climbing wall, too!

I must protest, length & width was not calculated! Bigger is better !

Michael
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