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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi, I am a racer and am looking to buy a pair of all-mountain skis. I race on Fischer worldcup race stock skis and am pretty agressive. I am considering the Fischer Heat/Fire series and the Volkl Unlimited and Supersport series. I want something a little wider underfoot than my race skis but I don't get to ski powder enough to warrant a mid-fat. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks.
post #2 of 17
You don't really need to ski much powder to warrant a mid-fat (if you did, it might warrant a full-fat). Do you ski crud, spring corn, the sides of trails? If you do, do yourself a favor and give a couple of mid-fats a good demo. You may be surprised.
post #3 of 17
NE1 is correct but barring that, you can look at Tiger sharks, Supershape magnums or something else in the 70-74mm range. I just bought the IM 78 Monsters as my groomer ski. 14.6m tr. the performance level from wider skis is surprising and it will provide more versitility in varied conditions.
post #4 of 17
In the Fischer Skis line, all of the skis in the RX-Fire category qualify as mid-fat, all mountain skis, IMHO. In addition, the RX-9, a little narrower but still a very versatile ski at 109-69-96, seems to have emerged this season as the RC4 Race RC. They both share virtually the same sidecut and construction materials.

In the PNW, the RX-9 has been frequently seen being used as a recreational race league ski as well as a ski to get around just about anywhere. Comments have been posted here on several of the Fischer new RX-Fire models by those who've skied them as well as the RX-9 which I think is very similar, if not identical to the new RC4 Race RC.
post #5 of 17
Fischer Progressor (117-70-100mm) features WC sandwich construction, or consider the RX9 (109-69-96mm). These will be much better is soft snow than a Fischer FIS ski. You should be fine up to boot-top deep snow.

Michael
post #6 of 17
Volkl 5*, or AllStar...That's all you need to know.
post #7 of 17
If you don't want at least a little wider waist, then the only thing that will gain you anything in softer snow is flex. Among the sub 70mm carvers, the ski that stands alone in versatility (to me) is the aforementioned '07 RX-9. If you can stomach something in the 72-74mm range then the '07 Nordica Speed Mach 3 Carbon or Nordica Modified or Dynastar Contact 11 are great hard snow performers that do a creditable job in softer snow as well.

Among '08 offerings, it seems to me that you are a natural candidate for the Volkl Tiger Sharks. Don't worry....the seemingly gimmickey "power switch" really works. With the switch on, the skis are exceptionally grippy, powerful, and honestly not very forgiving. With the switch off, you take a little of the edge off. While still quite strong, the ski is more tractable. Is it like two totally different ski? No....I wouldn't go quite that far. But the switch gives the skier unmatched versatility for a ski at this performance level.

SJ
post #8 of 17
Coming from race sticks to a carver is only going to end in disappointment, as your race boards will be much more fun on groomed and ice than any consumer ski and you're not going to gain that much versatility to make it worth even shopform prices on the top of the line carvers like Fischer RX8/9s and Volkl Tigershark 14s.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
So I'm sorta getting the idea that if I go for the Tigersharks, Progressors or Cold heats I'll gain a little bit in the soft snow department but lose a ton on groomers (especially since I'm coimg from race sticks). memosteve-are the Allstars wide enough for a little powder? I've seen a few racers/coaches who use them so I'm guessing they're not to soft. Ill probably end up demoing the skis I just mentioned but am trying to get an idea before I do. (BTW, does anyone know if demo day dates are up for NE mountains?)
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
Also...What do I do for bindings??haha. I feel like a newbie not knowing that much about non-race equipment. Should I mount a race binding or something else? I love my Solomon 914 Fis bindings and a ski them at ~9.5-10 while racing. I'd prob turn them down to like 7.5-8ish if not racing. Thanks.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Skidudettocs View Post
So I'm sorta getting the idea that if I go for the Tigersharks, Progressors or Cold heats I'll gain a little bit in the soft snow department but lose a ton on groomers (especially since I'm coimg from race sticks). memosteve-are the Allstars wide enough for a little powder? I've seen a few racers/coaches who use them so I'm guessing they're not to soft. Ill probably end up demoing the skis I just mentioned but am trying to get an idea before I do. (BTW, does anyone know if demo day dates are up for NE mountains?)

I haven't ski'd them in deep snow (I have skis for this purpose), but 6"-12" should'nt be a huge chore and even somewhat enjoyable...Not a long term solution if this is the area you want to take your skiing (neither is any of the skis we are talking about).

Maybe Jim will elaborate a bit more on this as he probably has more experience skiing these off-piste than I do.
post #12 of 17
Compared to a race stock ski, yes you will lose some on the groomers but a ton?? outside of a race course....not really. Also, the Tigershark is better on hard snow than the Allstar and the Progressor is at least as good and more damp. The Cold Heat may give up a little to the All Star and I really mean (little) in hard snow grip.

As far as deeper snow?? all these skis are miles better than the skis that most of us learned to ski powder on (GS skis) Are they as good as wider skis in powder?? of course they aren't. But you say you don't want a wider ski, just something a little better than your race skis. All these will deliver what you say you want.

SJ
post #13 of 17
SJ,
How would the RX9 compare to the S5. I found the RX9 on your site and its only $299. I thinks it worth it what do you think????
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by sierra_canuck View Post
SJ,
How would the RX9 compare to the S5. I found the RX9 on your site and its only $299. I thinks it worth it what do you think????
Both are very good skis but they have different personalities. The RX-9 is smoother and IMO more versatile. It has the feel of an easy going race ski. It does not however, have the dead feel of a K2 which is also very damp.

The S5 has more the feel of an old school slalom ski in that is very snappy and energetic.The weight of the two ski systems is similar but the S5 has a lighter feel.

There are a number of terrific deals available right now with selected high end flat skis at $199 and similar high end sytems at $299. Keep in mind however, these are the last pair or two in each case.

If you see something that you like, I'd suggest that you not dither about it. They won't get any cheaper and when they are gone..............they done be gone.

SJ
post #15 of 17
Supersport Allstar of Tigershark 10ft. For some reason I didnt really like the feel of the 12 over the 10.
post #16 of 17

Nice suggestions...

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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Supersport Allstar of Tigershark 10ft. For some reason I didnt really like the feel of the 12 over the 10.
I am now a 2nd season after introduction-user of any ski. Nowdays, I lick my chops and do my absolute best and not buy that demoed ski- I like (i.e. Tigershark 10 or Head Magnum) until that late Spring or even early Summer in the second model year. I sound like a new car buyer. huh. Two marked bonuses:

1) An improved version that addresses most of the complaints by users in its introductory first year are "improved" in the second year...Fischer Progressor comes to mind, actually an RC4 SC with a new graphics. Those refinements are key to me buying a ski nowdays. As much as I liked the Tigershark 10 (demoed over this Spring), non switchable version or the Head Magnum- I will wait for the end of the 2009 season to buy it or whatever Volkl/Head deem to rename it then. If I had to choose with what u are looking for is choce for this current season which is in its 2nd, even 3rd season, is the evolutionized version, Volkl Allstar or Fischer Progressor. Moreover, the Volkl Tigershark 12 you didn't (me too) care for in season 1, may be adjusted 12 in the second season...thus you reap the benefits of a 2nd year purchase. We may even like the switchable version WITHOUT those funky silver sidewalls?

2) In the seond year, the prices have comparatively dropped versus the debut season. Dropped even more in late Spring or early Summer. Well, you may want the new "bells and whistles" in its introductory year, but not me.

*A way out in left field suggestion is have you entertained, breaking out of your alpine mode and carving (or trying to...) on some telemark skis? I used to make jest of pinhead telemarkers but on certain days I find my alpine technique improves by working outside of the alpine envelope while on my 174 K2 Superstinks mounted with 7tm (DIN releasable) bindings. An ex-WC top 20~30 slalomer named Kiminobu Kimura runs a ski school in Hokkaido and telemarks on and off piste to "brush-up" his alpine technique, so I tried it and do NOT skin up the mountain- but it is an interesting approach to put a new light on alpine skiing.
post #17 of 17
Grab an extra pair of SL skis from the MT Hood Volkl shop - really cheap. Then get all mountain skis. Supersport Allstar did well for me, and I ski everything, but on Volkls.
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