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Message from the real JS

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First, JS is not Jonathan Shefftz. Anybody who thought it was him should be ashamed of themselves for jumping to conclusions. Second, Ok perhaps I should of used something different than the phrase "full of crap", but I still stand by my statement. Skiing is an athletic event, so if a person is a so-so athlete, then they will be nothing more than a so-so skier. That is not meant to attack anybody on this board, just a statement of fact. In my orginal statement, I said it was the ability of World Cup athletes to combine both strength and finess into their skiing. One without the other does nothing. Third, Lisamarie, you have no knowledge of my teaching style, so your comments are unwarranted. Never once in my response did I insult you. The technical problems that you are experiencing has nothing to do with your leg strength (You stated that you do heavy leg exercises), but in your technique. Don't cut back on your strength training. You just need to work with a coach to show you how to channel that strength in a positive way to the ski. Forth, and this is the real reason for my orginal post, (Lisamarie, this is not an attack on your post; just an observation about skiing in general)I am getting sick and tired of the ski industry's "marketing gimmick" of the year approach. I have worked in the industry for a number of years. Skiing is a business, and like all businesses, it must find a way to grow or it will die. The biggest problem the industry faces today is that more and more Americans are becoming couch dwellers. It seems like every year they come up with more outrageous marketing ideas. First it was all that you had to do was buy shaped skis and you would immediately become an expert skier. Then it became "Just take 3 lessions, and you can ski anything on the mountain" (I think Lisamarie pointed the absurdity of this in another post). Now it's "Don't worry about being even remotely athletic, we still can make you an expert skier." Well guess what, it ain't going to happen. You don't (downhill) ski to get into shape, you need to get into shape to (downhill) ski. The more you put into off-season training (including heavy strength training) to more you will get out of skiing. So, Lisamarie, like I said above, don't worry about your strength training routine, just work with a coach (instructor) next season who knows how to handle your strength.
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good job. i hope also that my "satire" on your "full of crap" was NOT taken too seriously, or to heart. it was folly - i MUST watch myself sometimes - but if it bugged ya, i do apologize. really.

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Ryan, Thank you. As you pointed out, balance training is very important for one's skiing.

Larry C, I hear what you are saying (from the "Ski Fitness Update" post). I have worked the trenches for many years as a instructor and coach. I am looking at the big picture when I made the above comments. I have lost track of how many dissapointed students that I have come across (both mine and other instructors) in the past 3-4 years due to the outrageous claims ski marketing departments have been making. Now, the vast majority of students have been very happy with my lessons, but overall, they were lead to believe that they would be progressing faster. I try to be positive and tell them that they indeed have come a long way in ONE lesson, but skiing is a sport that takes time and commitment to become really good at (even with shaped skis). They look at me like I have two heads. Usually I get comments like "You mean I need to practice this stuff? What do you mean that more lessons would be helpful? The resorts brochure said I could ski the entire mountain my first day, even though I sit on the couch and play video games the other 364 days a year...." I think in the long term we (the ski industry, including the PSIA) are creating unrealistic expectations in the general public, which is going to blow up in our collective faces. After all how many golf pros have you heard say "Just take three lessons and you will able to play like Arnold Palmer, Tiger Woods, etc".
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After meeting Lisamarie and reading all her posts, I seem to think it was partly a bit of protectiveness. You attacked something or someone that that I think she found helpful and was passing her thoughts alongI think you appeared to miss the "extreme" part. I don't think she has any doubt that some strength trainging is needed and I didn't read that her instructor at the fitness conference was advocating that strength training should be left out either. It's the extreme strenth training that was in question. A balance of strength and other parts. Since I wasn't at the conference I can't make any comments about that but I find that with newer equipment and proper technique I don't need as much strength to ski and actually find myself overpowering my newer skis. When I'm ripping short carves (or doing my imitation of them anyway) I am sure glad I'm not a couch person and remember why I keep running up and down the stairs at work instead of riding the elevator. But I think there was a bit of over reaction in this case. "full of crap"? I don't know about this since I wasn't there but I think kinder words or a request for clarification would have been in order before the comment...

Just my thoughts....
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I too am definitely horrifed by the concept of people thinking that they do not need any strength training prior to learning to ski. Of the many participants on this board who have emailed about injuries, a number of them could have been prevented by strength training. I was once at Whistler, and an overweight woman in my ski class mentioned that she thought that she should do a week of skiing instead of going to the "fat farm". ARRRGHHH!
There is absolutely no way I would give up on my strength training, especially since my teaching specialty is strength balance and alignment. Besides, as a 40 something female, its a nice ego trip to be able to have more endurance than the 20 somethings .
Its ironic, what you said about not skiing to get in shape, but getting in shape to ski: I've been saying that for a long time, and here we are flaming each other. Keep in mind, it would be to MY professional disadvantage if people decided that they did not need to be in shape for skiing.
But some people have the misconception that doing 10 sets at high weights on a leg extension is going to make them a better skier. Although I still do some equipment work, a good deal of my training is done on unstable surfaces. IMHO, this has helped me enormously.

One last comment. As D-chan has mentioned, saying things like "That's full of crap" does very little to promote interesting discussions on this forum. What ends up happening is that everyone wastes so much time arguing that none of the what was valuable in the original thread is ever discussed, and the whole board begins to feel a bit like PowderMag.

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It may be my technique, but I think it takes a lot of leg/hip strength to hold a carve at mach schnell speed.
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"Full of crap". Yeah, I'm full of crap. Excuse me, I have to use the bathroom.

And why is it that when people have to go to the bathroom, they say they have to "take a sh!#"? Shouldn't they be "giving" a sh!#, rather than taking one? I mean, they already have one, and they are giving it to the commode, not taking it.

I guess this should have been on the "Harold and Lito break wind" thread, huh?
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According to George Carlin, the correct phrase is "leaving a sh#!"
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