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post #1 of 18
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We’ve had lots of threads about what ski to choose for your needs, few that reverse the question, think strategically. So here are four sadly typical real world scenarios, closely based on real resorts (bonus points for correct guesses). For each, I’d value knowing what ski you’d choose and how/where you’d deploy it. (Not why your current ski would rock in all possible situations.)

Rules: Only one ski per scenario, although it doesn’t need to be one you now own. Bonus points if it isn’t). Helps to specify your height, weight, level, and the ski’s length. You must ski all day (8:30-3:30), over at least 50% of the mountain with your entourage. Which includes two legitimate 8-9’s, two 7-8’s, one 6-7. No, you cannot leave anyone behind, although you can split into two groups for a max of one hour. More than that, you lose a) your best friend, or b) any hope for sex in the next month. OK, the scenarios:

1) Resort has 2800 feet of vert, good acreage, nice but not very sustained steep, plenty of trees and small hidden bowls, big exposed bowls and faces at top. A nice March dump of 14 inches four days ago, barely below freezing since, now settled into heavy mank, mostly cut-up, some pockets of fresh still to be found in trees and glades. Big out of bounds behind mountain, but snowfields are sun-baked and crusty. Everything is frozen solid in am, slushy in pm. Your ski and your strategy:

2) Seriously large mountain with 4000+ vert, multiple climate zones, plenty of inbounds ungroomed, green runs at bottom, all blue/black to double diamond from midway up. Top groomed is scrapped off crust, middle is hard smooth groomed and bumps, bottom is 4” slushy groomed over hardpack. Off-piste is crusty with last week’s big dump just underneath, lot of big bumps soft uphill and icy downhill. And around midday, it starts snowing 4” an hour! Your ski and your strategy:

3) Big mountain with 3400 vert, lot of inbound/peri-bound bowls assessable with a little walking, 6” of light fresh Feb pow over heavy cut-up settled in from last storm, groomed is packed but not icy, 20 mph wind that will blow off the light groomed cover into lees of ridges and trees. By 2 pm, it’s 18 degrees, wind is !@**!$ cold and you’re finding whiteouts everywhere you try. Your ski and your strategy:

4) You’ve flown 8 hours and taken two trains and a bus to get here for your week vacation. 3800+ vert, almost entirely blue-black and harder, also almost entirely above treeline, bumps and firm hardpack everywhere, serious pitches at the top, heavily populated everywhere. Vast off-piste possibilities, but the snow there right now is thick and crusty,You’re putting on mega-sunblock, but a big dump is predicted to arrive tonight. If you got the translation right. Your ski and your strategy:
post #2 of 18
Mountain # 1 Squaw Valley, # 2 Jackson Hole, # 3 Aspen (Ajax), # 4 Somewhere in the Alps, Verbier?

Ski for #1, Head Monster 88 in a 186cm: Stay in the open bowls and carve G.S. turns at high speed.
Ski for #2, Dynastar Contact 11 in a 178cm: Go for the trees and hidden bowls but enjoy the bumps in-transit.
Ski for #3, Gotama in a 190cm: Walk to the bowls and dress well.
Ski for #4, Head Monster 78 in a 177cm: Hyper-carve the steeps and enjoy the powder, this ski can do it all.

I do own the Contact 11 (which could do it all). I've skied two of the models, but not the Gotama and iM 78. I'm 230 lbs, 6 Ft. level 8.

Michael
post #3 of 18
I am a big guy with a pretty good size quiver. After reading each scenario, all containing extremely variable snow conditions and the requirements of skiing on at least 50% of the mountain and skiing all day, and none having deep soft fresh snow, I would not hesitate to take my 185 Atomic M:EXs every day. I have skied all of those conditions on either my M:EXs or my R:EXs (which ski pretty much the same) and find them more than adequate and my 1st choice if I'm traveling with only one pair of boards. As for strategy:

1. Stay high and in the trees and shade in the morning and and look for the sun in the afternoon.

2. Ski mid and lower mountain in the morning and look for fresh wind depo in the afternoon in the trees because if it's coming down that hard you won't be able to see anywhere else.

3. Ski the lee sides all day to stay out of the wind and find the deepest and softest snow.

4. Take a nap and recover from the travel (you've got a whole week), then go out late after the sun has had time to softened things up. Pray for a big dump and if it comes in really huge rent some fatties.

Plan B on all days, watch and listen to where the locals are skiing.
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
We’ve had lots of threads about what ski to choose for your needs, few that reverse the question, think strategically. So here are four sadly typical real world scenarios, closely based on real resorts (bonus points for correct guesses). For each, I’d value knowing what ski you’d choose and how/where you’d deploy it. (Not why your current ski would rock in all possible situations.)

Rules: Only one ski per scenario, although it doesn’t need to be one you now own. Bonus points if it isn’t). Helps to specify your height, weight, level, and the ski’s length. You must ski all day (8:30-3:30), over at least 50% of the mountain with your entourage. Which includes two legitimate 8-9’s, two 7-8’s, one 6-7. No, you cannot leave anyone behind, although you can split into two groups for a max of one hour. More than that, you lose a) your best friend, or b) any hope for sex in the next month. OK, the scenarios:

1) Resort has 2800 feet of vert, good acreage, nice but not very sustained steep, plenty of trees and small hidden bowls, big exposed bowls and faces at top. A nice March dump of 14 inches four days ago, barely below freezing since, now settled into heavy mank, mostly cut-up, some pockets of fresh still to be found in trees and glades. Big out of bounds behind mountain, but snowfields are sun-baked and crusty. Everything is frozen solid in am, slushy in pm. Your ski and your strategy:

2) Seriously large mountain with 4000+ vert, multiple climate zones, plenty of inbounds ungroomed, green runs at bottom, all blue/black to double diamond from midway up. Top groomed is scrapped off crust, middle is hard smooth groomed and bumps, bottom is 4” slushy groomed over hardpack. Off-piste is crusty with last week’s big dump just underneath, lot of big bumps soft uphill and icy downhill. And around midday, it starts snowing 4” an hour! Your ski and your strategy:

3) Big mountain with 3400 vert, lot of inbound/peri-bound bowls assessable with a little walking, 6” of light fresh Feb pow over heavy cut-up settled in from last storm, groomed is packed but not icy, 20 mph wind that will blow off the light groomed cover into lees of ridges and trees. By 2 pm, it’s 18 degrees, wind is !@**!$ cold and you’re finding whiteouts everywhere you try. Your ski and your strategy:

4) You’ve flown 8 hours and taken two trains and a bus to get here for your week vacation. 3800+ vert, almost entirely blue-black and harder, also almost entirely above treeline, bumps and firm hardpack everywhere, serious pitches at the top, heavily populated everywhere. Vast off-piste possibilities, but the snow there right now is thick and crusty,You’re putting on mega-sunblock, but a big dump is predicted to arrive tonight. If you got the translation right. Your ski and your strategy:
1. Rossignol B squad, Go fast make high speed turns and allow the ski to smooth out the crud for you
2. Rossignol B squad, Play on the groomed in the morning, carving big turns and deep trenches and do some recon. Find the smoothest off piste run and when it starts coming down go lap that.
3. Rossignol B squad, Rally through the pow bowls and seek out the wind deposits. Making not of which way the wind is blowing the snow, dive into the trees when conditions go white.
4. Rossignol B squad, depending on how crusty it is rock the off piste at high speeds to get to know it so that when the pow comes you know where to go, play in the bumps all afternoon after they soften a little. When the dup comes have fun
post #5 of 18
I feel like there should be a tape recording that says "your mission, should you choose to accept it.............."
My specs:
Female Skier, with limited travel under my belt. 5'6", 125 lbs.
Totally comfy with speed, love the trees, learning bumps, and getting more comfy with air(small air)


Ski #1: Blizzard SL Magnesium (165 cm) - A ski I wish I'd had a chance to try in April, but didn't want to chance the rocks in Vermont. I'd love to hit some groomers on these skis and clean out the pipes.
Ski #2 Elan 888 (163cm) Head for the bumps and trees and hope like heck my bump skills have improved.
Ski #3: Volkl Aura(170 CM) - I'd hook up with Cloudpeak, and tell her to show me what the aura can do!
Ski #4: G3 Siren (166 cm) with AT bindings - Thanks to splitter, I've had a hard Time getting back country skiing off my mind. Somehow I think these would be a ton of Fun for TC!
post #6 of 18
Excellent post!

#1- I am going with a Head 88, Elan 888, Mantra- Copper?- work the bowls and open area in the AM, hit the trees and shaded areas in the PM.
#2- Head 82, Elan 888, Mythic Rider, Snoop Daddy- Whistler? Work bottom in the AM, enjoy the pow in the PM, if its 4" an hour, leave the 6 in the lodge or take ot a lower section of the mtn. At this point, the pow outweighs the sex for a month!
#3- PE's, Mojo90, Gots, Mantra, Legends, Hmm, lots of options here....I'm thinking UT. This is a tough one but go to the trees when the winds pick up to poach pow stashes and be shielded from the winds.
#4- Legend XXL's, Gots, Sugar daddy's, Head 88's, BIG dump? Toon's -Chammy? Get a good dinner and any supplies/tuning you need, Hit the sheets early and dream of pow. If it's a big dump, the same rule as #2 applies. You'll only wait a month for the sex but you will wait a lot longer for another epic dumpage.....
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Rules: Only one ski per scenario, ....................... More than that, you lose a) your best friend, or b) any hope for sex in the next month. OK, the scenarios:

......................Your ski and your strategy:
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Excellent post!

#1- I am going with a Head 88, Elan 888, Mantra- Copper?- work the bowls and open area in the AM, hit the trees and shaded areas in the PM.
#2- Head 82, Elan 888, Mythic Rider, Snoop Daddy- Whistler? Work bottom in the AM, enjoy the pow in the PM, if its 4" an hour, leave the 6 in the lodge or take ot a lower section of the mtn. At this point, the pow outweighs the sex for a month!
#3- PE's, Mojo90, Gots, Mantra, Legends, Hmm, lots of options here....I'm thinking UT. This is a tough one but go to the trees when the winds pick up to poach pow stashes and be shielded from the winds.
#4- Legend XXL's, Gots, Sugar daddy's, Head 88's, BIG dump? Toon's -Chammy? Get a good dinner and any supplies/tuning you need, Hit the sheets early and dream of pow. If it's a big dump, the same rule as #2 applies. You'll only wait a month for the sex but you will wait a lot longer for another epic dumpage.....
Finndog......he said one pair of skis per situation!
Sheesh, where'd you learn to be such a gear hog?

Also.......some women may just find skiing very sensual, and have a little libido rush from such an activity.
post #8 of 18
There really isn't very much variation in the 4 scenarios. Variable snow, mixed terrain and a mixed ability group that needs to stay together. None of the scenarios involve buffed out coudoroy, none involved a real dump, none involved pinning it with rockstars...

Isn't this what mid-fats are for?

I'll take my iM88 in a 186cm and be happy. No need for more than that, they make me smile.

I'm 6'3", 225, I can turn left, right and stop.
post #9 of 18
1. Groomers first 5 runs, go to trees ~10 or 10:30am

2. 2 lift rides on lower lifts, move to mid-mountain 9:30 am, let whoever wants go OP 11 am, go to top at snow start if group is staying together. At visibility drop, go to trees and stay in trees.

3. 2 runs groomed, go to trees. Stay in trees. No exposed lift rides.

4. Hire guide.

Elan 777 184cm. 6' 190 7ish.
post #10 of 18
[quote=beyond;734435]We’ve had lots of threads about what ski to choose for your needs, few that reverse the question, think strategically. So here are four sadly typical real world scenarios, closely based on real resorts (bonus points for correct guesses). For each, I’d value knowing what ski you’d choose and how/where you’d deploy it. (Not why your current ski would rock in all possible situations.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by beyond View Post
1) Resort has 2800 feet of vert, good acreage, nice but not very sustained steep, plenty of trees and small hidden bowls, big exposed bowls and faces at top. A nice March dump of 14 inches four days ago, barely below freezing since, now settled into heavy mank, mostly cut-up, some pockets of fresh still to be found in trees and glades. Big out of bounds behind mountain, but snowfields are sun-baked and crusty. Everything is frozen solid in am, slushy in pm. Your ski and your strategy:
888
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
2) Seriously large mountain with 4000+ vert, multiple climate zones, plenty of inbounds ungroomed, green runs at bottom, all blue/black to double diamond from midway up. Top groomed is scrapped off crust, middle is hard smooth groomed and bumps, bottom is 4” slushy groomed over hardpack. Off-piste is crusty with last week’s big dump just underneath, lot of big bumps soft uphill and icy downhill. And around midday, it starts snowing 4” an hour! Your ski and your strategy:
Titan 9
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
3) Big mountain with 3400 vert, lot of inbound/peri-bound bowls assessable with a little walking, 6” of light fresh Feb pow over heavy cut-up settled in from last storm, groomed is packed but not icy, 20 mph wind that will blow off the light groomed cover into lees of ridges and trees. By 2 pm, it’s 18 degrees, wind is !@**!$ cold and you’re finding whiteouts everywhere you try. Your ski and your strategy:
Seths
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
4) You’ve flown 8 hours and taken two trains and a bus to get here for your week vacation. 3800+ vert, almost entirely blue-black and harder, also almost entirely above treeline, bumps and firm hardpack everywhere, serious pitches at the top, heavily populated everywhere. Vast off-piste possibilities, but the snow there right now is thick and crusty,You’re putting on mega-sunblock, but a big dump is predicted to arrive tonight. If you got the translation right. Your ski and your strategy:
Seths

I am going with what I have now.
post #11 of 18
Me.......5-10/190 Level?.....uhhhh.....I'd be a 9 if'n I wuz younger. Call me an 8ish......:

IMO, there is no real need to overthink or agonize too much over this stuff.

I'd take a Dynastar Mythic Rider in 178. (As a narrow choice over several other fine skis in this width range)

SJ
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Me.......5-10/190 Level?.....uhhhh.....I'd be a 9 if'n I wuz younger. Call me an 8ish......:

IMO, there is no real need to overthink or agonize too much over this stuff.

I'd take a Dynastar Mythic Rider in 178. (As a narrow choice over several other fine skis in this width range)

SJ
Jim, its summer, agonize away....
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Finndog......he said one pair of skis per situation!
Sheesh, where'd you learn to be such a gear hog?
.
Hmmm, I dunno - Maybe Phil or Michael barrett may possibly have an answer to that.....
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Hmmm, I dunno - Maybe Phil or Michael barrett may possibly have an answer to that.....

Ski Caddy

Michael
post #15 of 18
Congrats on #2000 post! PAtent that ski caddy idea......
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Jim, its summer, agonize away....
Hey!!.....I'm currently agonizing over ultralight backpack gear.

Besides,I think if I worried as much about ski choices as some do........my alleged brain would explode........:

So...........I have chosen to ski on 50-60 different skis a year rather than agonize. (See.....I'm as slutty as everyone else......)

Beside besides, I seldom find a bad one.......

SJ
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Hey!!.....I'm currently agonizing over ultralight backpack gear.

Besides,I think if I worried as much about ski choices as some do........my alleged brain would explode.....
...:

So...........I have chosen to ski on 50-60 different skis a year rather than agonize. (See.....I'm as slutty as everyone else......)

Beside besides, I seldom find a bad one.......

SJ
Some call it agony, and others call it an adrenalin rush.
You call people like me............job security
Gotta love those ridiculous quivers.
post #18 of 18
This is fun. I'll play.

1) Stockli SS Pro 178cm (everywhere, fast)
2) Stockli Stormrider DP 184cm (anywhere I can find crud and slushy crud)
3) Nordica SLR 165cm (groomers and trees)
4) Day 1: Nordica SLR 165cm; Day 2: Stockli Stormrider DP 184cm & a trailmap and a cell phone for the level 7 [I travel with both skis] (everywhere/anywhere)

Later

GREG
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