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07/08 Stockli Rotor 169 cm (124/76/109, R14m)

post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 
Compared against 06 Rotor 179cm.
Ski set up: 169cm (124/76/109, R14m), VIST Speedlock TT 14mm plate, VIST Speedlock 6-14 binding , BOF on COB (but this can be changed by moving the binding on the plate)
Edges: 1 base/ 2 side - no tip or tail detuning - hand finished to polish level with diamond files and gummi. 7 layers of Solda UF5 (universal low fluoro) wax prior to being skied.

Skier info:
Height/weight: 6' 2" , 200lbs
Ability: high 8/instructor
Days/year: 200
Conditions: up to 4”of fairly crusty fresh snow, crud, and bare (icy) groomers at Treble Cone and Cardrona in New Zealand. There have been two decent periods of snowfall but there is still not a proper base (ie most off piste covered and decent conditions everywhere on the groomed).

My biases: I have a quiver,long fat skis for decent fresh snow and race skis to handle hard-snow work. I place a high priority on rough-snow stability, groomer edgehold and power, and nimbleness. I do not like 'soft' skis nor skis that lack torsional rigidity (ie Rossi and K2 cap skis). I live & ski in Colorado, Europe and New Zealand and therefore ski in all conditions. But I am an instructor so despite having a quiver of skis do not always get to choose where and when I ski ie beginner area on a powder day, level 6 lesson when there hasn't been any fresh snow for two weeks. I love getting edge angle on groomers, and skiing with lots of energy. I am also committed to getting my CSIA Level 3 certification and spend lots of time training towards this.

I traded my 06 179cm Rotors for the 07/08 169 Rotors as I decided that I could benefit from a shorter all mountain ski to make my life easier in the bumps (my bete-noir) and also have 10cm less ski to manoeuvre during beginner lessons. If I am going to be skiing deep snow or at very high speeds I always have my Stockli DP Pros to ski on (193cm).

I collected the skis just as a new dump of snow arrived (the second significant snowfall of the season). This gave me the opportunity to try them in 'powder' - US skiers have to take this with a grain of salt (or water) as NZ powder is a bit heavier than the Colorado kind (more like Whistler powder for those that have been there).

There were no significant changes except that on the shorter ski I have to make sure that my fore/aft balance is centred (excellent - I get another training benefit from the shorter skis). As expected they turned more easily and felt, in general, more nimble under foot.

Due to school holiday crowds the powder tracked out quite quickly, a few runs on decent snow on groomers reinforced that this is a great ski. Same characteristics as the previous model (stability, edge hold, energy, dampening) but easier to turn. Despite the shorter radius on the same dimensions (ie a fat tip) there was none of the tip wander that I have experienced with other 120+ tipped skis (eg Rossi Z9). The edge engaged when I wanted it to and held until actively released. The energy was great popping my feet across the transition to the next edge.

I was worried that the shorter ski would lack the speed stability of the longer version, especially as I am skiing shorter than recommended for my height. The ski is perfectly stable at any speed I was able to get it to given the crowded piste conditions. I had another morning at Cardrona when the piste was virtually empty and took it to top speed, no problems at all - largely due to the awesome Stockli dampening I believe (08 Ski construction is identical to 06 construction - new top sheet only).

Due to the numbers skiing the piste, many areas are getting skied bare ie to hard ice and (unfortunately) light gravel (horrible I know). the edge hold is exactly what one expects from a Stockli and a 1/88 setup.

Overall this is a great all round ski and can be, with good enough reason, skied shorter than one thinks is sensible.

If you are after a great all mountain ski and like a ski with energy then give this ski a demo.
post #2 of 5

Excellent Stockli Review, Andrew...

Howdy, Andrew,

An outstanding review of imo the best ski/binding mfg, hands down.

Have read other reviews of the Rotor (unfortunately haven’t had the opportunity to actually demo) and every one, no exceptions, loves this ski in nearly any condition.

Curious, are you a full time/year round instructor? If I was fluent in Spanish, I’d luv to instruct in Portillio, Chile (total snow fall to date: 230.3inches/ for this week: 45.3 inches). Where do you teach and where do you call home?

I’m interested to know what you think the differences are btwn the Laser SC & the Rotor.

I like your philosophy regarding your quiver (unfortunately, I don’t get out west, so do not own any powder gear). I make the analogy to golf clubs (and I agree w Grouch Marx on golf), you need different gear for varying conditions/terrain.

You also reinforce my experience regarding length (see my signature, as well as, http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...733#post483733). The vast majority of people use skis which are way too long for the conditions/skill/height. I see skier’s on epic who are 5’ 7”/150 lb/level 6 (of course they’re of the male persuasion) braggin’ about their 176+ cm (long, NOT wide, dude! fatties and how ‘versatile’ they think they are. IMHO, you can say anything on paper (or liquid crystal) but till I actually see you ski like you describe, I don’t believe ‘em.

Thx for listenin’,

Bruce Marks
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Thread Starter 

Year round instructor now - NH season in Keystone and SH in Wanaka at Treble Cone. Not working this SH season as I am training and sitting my CSIA Level 3 (equiv of PSIA III).

I love the Rotor, not as much as my Stormrider DP Pros but they are a more versatile ski. They are just great in the 169cm length, I have just skied my first week of the CSIA course and it was lots of dynamic turning and bumps (steep terrain), they are just the thing that I need to make a difficult course easier. My main theory on skis is 'why work harder than one has to' when there is a right ski for every occasion.

The Laser SC is excellent for what it does - carving on hard snow/ groomed, they are also very good in bumps. It is 63mm underfoot and it is very fast edge to edge, that said it is 'polyvalent' meaning that it has a slower radius than a pure Slalom ski but is just as easy to turn as it is more forgiving than the very stiff SL.

I have the Speedlock Pro 19mm plate on it - which gives lots of fairly stiff leverage. If I had thought about it a bit more I would have got the Rotor in 169cm (which I have now) and the SC in 176cm so it was a bit more Mastar/GS friendly.

They are great for precision carving and technique training but a little bit specific for instructor work as one never knows what kind of lesson one gets before line up ie they work every where but why work harder in powder than one has too.

I will update the review as I get more new snow and different skiing conditions.
post #4 of 5
Thread Starter 


Laser SC donated to the Disabled Ski program (for an aspiring Olympic Sit skier).

19mm Pro plate moved to Rotors (TT plate moved to a box in anticiaption of being mounted on XXLs).

Tested in Spring conditions: ie ice in the shade and slush where the sun reaches.

Conclusion: crazy, like them even more, a morning of short turns was a bit brutal on the lower legs but alot of that could be the new boot liners (stiff and tight) or the fact that I have been doing easy volunteer work at Cardrona for 2 weeks so a return to TC was a welcome return to real (and steep) skiing.

This ski is now everything I would want in the teaching ski without having to actually be on an SL ski. Stiff, resposive, capable in all types of terrain and snow, snappy, turny and great edge hold. The superlatives could just keep on coming.

They have been fantastic in all conditions all season. The only other change I have made is that I de-tune (3 rubs with a gummi stone) the shovel and tail on the curve as I found it was grabbing on frozen crud.

For everyone that thinks they would like to be on a short ski for the bumps and trees but would like to have that little bit more surface area for crud/ lumpy snow or powder then consider going with this kind of short radius, super capable all mountain ski.
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I enjoyed reading your review of the Rotor and VIST set up and have a few questions if your would like to provide your insight.

For introduction I am also an instructor/coach (PSIA Level 3 (Alpine/Telemark, Level 1 Nordic Track, USSCA Level 2). I Alpine ski about 25-30 days a year. Many of those days are with my younger kids or teaching/coaching so I only get 5-8 days a year where I can let loose and rip all day. Also, I'm a good bit older than you are and now think twice about the consequences of speed and falling. I don't fall often but when I do it's generally worth watching. I ski all terrain and snow conditions and particullarly still like to ski moguls, steeps and off piste conditions whatever they are for the day (usually well tracked powder as like most instructors/coaches we seldom get time to make first tracks.)

I am looking for a new ski to replace my tired (10 yrs old) Solomon Crossmax 180cm. I'm 5'-8" and 158 lbs. I have purchased a VIST speedplate TT and assocaited binding. I ave also purchased a VIST telemark adapter plate to mount a 7tm binding on. I am looking for one ski to ski both Alpine and Telemark with.

I am considering the Stockli Rotor 76, Stockli XL, Head Monster 78 or Fisher Watea 78. As you mentioned when teaching you don't get to pick the level of lesson or the snow conditions and you teach with the skis you have on so I'm looking for one versatile ski.

How does the Rotor 76 handle in the pumps? It has a wide tail and I am concerned about release at the end of the turn. Also, its tip seemed very soft compared to the Fisher and Head ski and not quite as torsionally ridged. You mentioned you had a change to ski the Rotor at good speed with on an uncrowded slope. I'm curious about the snow conditions at the time. Pack powder or hard firm snow? Often the snow here is quite heavy and it packs firm and hard and gets icy. I'm concerned about the soft tip of the Rotor as compared to the Fisher or Head skis. I'd appreciate a little more insight on this. I would expect a bit of tip chatter and it being prone to drift being that it had a softer flex then the other skis.

I was thinking the 176 length would be good for me since I'm on a 180cm ski now and the Rotor has a turned up tail so has even a shorter efective edge. Your a big guy to be on a 169cm ski. Would you recommend the 169cm ski for someone my size? Have you skied on any of the other skis I mentioned to be able to make comparisons?

There are no Stockli or Head dealers in my area (Alaska) so although I had a chance to flex them in a shop in Seattle last week I could not demo a pair due to lack of snow in the Cascades last week so any additonal insight on the skis would be appreciated.

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