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post #1 of 14
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http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=84718

tons of reviews of mostly bigger wider skis.

Enojy

if you have a review of a ski listed there, either post it on TGR or pm it to me and ill get it to endlesswntr
post #2 of 14
very impressive.
post #3 of 14
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i wish i could take credit for it
post #4 of 14
If you read TRG carefully you will find that the Bros are the best ski on the market. The way I undstand it, the skis were developed from forum member feedback. Now that is a great marketing move. If you want to ski on bacon strips I bet Bros are pretty good. If you looking for some info on fattys TRG is a good source.
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If you want to ski on bacon strips I bet Bros are pretty good.
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post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by rockdude View Post
If you read TRG carefully you will find that the Bros are the best ski on the market. The way I undstand it, the skis were developed from forum member feedback. Now that is a great marketing move. If you want to ski on bacon strips I bet Bros are pretty good. If you looking for some info on fattys TRG is a good source.
Theres some weird things going on with the maggots and pm gear. Not everyone that has tried them has liked the bros, and not everyone has had the best customer service experiences. Different reviews of what should be the same ski (ie, 188 stiff for example) describe them as having very different flexes and skiing characteristics. However, if anyone mentions any of this at TGR, it starts a 8000 page flame war, and a lot of people get offended and can't look at things objectively. People get defensive about PM Gear because they see the company as being "good people" regardless of the product they make.

My point is that the people that think "Bros" is the answer to any "what ski should I get" question, no matter what, are really a small minority, they merely choose to be pretty vocal about their opinions. There are a lot of people that might like the bros, but aren't rabid about it, and some more people that will not be supporting pm gear at all. Pretty much the same split as with any other company.
post #7 of 14
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Theres some weird things going on with the maggots and pm gear. Not everyone that has tried them has liked the bros, and not everyone has had the best customer service experiences. Different reviews of what should be the same ski (ie, 188 stiff for example) describe them as having very different flexes and skiing characteristics. However, if anyone mentions any of this at TGR, it starts a 8000 page flame war, and a lot of people get offended and can't look at things objectively. People get defensive about PM Gear because they see the company as being "good people" regardless of the product they make.

My point is that the people that think "Bros" is the answer to any "what ski should I get" question, no matter what, are really a small minority, they merely choose to be pretty vocal about their opinions. There are a lot of people that might like the bros, but aren't rabid about it, and some more people that will not be supporting pm gear at all. Pretty much the same split as with any other company.

I bet there is truth in what you say.. There has been big problems with manufacturing and customer services at PM Gear but they have a strong following at TGR. In my past post, I did not mean to endorse Bro's. I have not skied them and fat bacon is not my thing. My post was to reflect that there is a lot of good buzz on them and that the company really has done a super job communicating their message to TGR. No ski is talked about more than the Bro. So with all reviews you must take them with a gain of Salt.
post #8 of 14
I always thought that the 'PM' in PM gear stood for powder maggot. And that it started as a community effort. I have heard some of the same issues that maggot is talking about lately too. I am not a bro owner, but I am convinced that if I were I would be happy with the skis. Everyone who I know who owns a pair likes them.
post #9 of 14
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While I have heard of some of the issues with the Bros, I have every intention of getting a pair when my mantras have had it.

Since theyre so small there is a short (1 month-ish) wait for the skis, but thats not really a problem if you order them in april. Those guys have designed a bomber ski that you get to chose flex on. Give them time and theyll get everything perfected. Ill probly get flamed for this, but they seem to be a small Igneous


I stand behind the PM gear guys. Especially now that they have a few more sizes avail. No, theyre not on the site yet.
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Since theyre so small there is a short (1 month-ish) wait for the skis, but thats not really a problem if you order them in april.

I haven't heard of a single person getting skis from PM gear within four months.

In fact, I have heard of probably more then 15 people waiting more than an entire calender year.

I have heard a couple horror stories about people waiting a year for their skis, then getting something different than what they ordered. Then waiting another year for something else.


I really don't have any personal stake in this at all. I'm sure Pat Keane is a good guy, as is anyone else affiliated with them. The only reason I care, is because I can't help but shudder and cringe when I see my friends (or just people on the internet) spending their cash on something that is not what they want.
post #11 of 14
My advice woudl be to call and ask for an ETA on skis if you ordered them today. PMGear is not a retailer. They are a manufacturer. I think at least in most cases the skis you are ordering have not been built yet. The should be able to give you a better idea about what sot of time frame they expect for delivery.
post #12 of 14

Bros

Hopefully the delivery issues will be resolved this September.

I'm pretty sure I read that their are outsourcing the production to Aldo Kunonen in Switzerland.
New production line should take care of inconsistant pressings and deliver a more refined product.

I'll wishing them well, with the PMGear designed in the Sierras shapes and the Euro production we could have a winner.
post #13 of 14
I wish Pm Gear the best with their new manufacturing. We need a lot more indie companies. I am tired of a hand full mass producing companies holding such a large part of the market. Ths ski industry reminds me of the radio industry, every station sound the same and is owned by the same people. They think they can just keep pumping the same play list down our throat.
post #14 of 14
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After pming back and forth with splat (pat) on TGR he said that there is a 1 month waiting period. I have heard of people waiting longer, but not a year. I also havent heard about people getting the wrong skis. I do hear about maggots buying the blemished skis all the time though. Its tough to keep track
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