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Krypton Cutting of my circulation an the ankle

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Its the little cable thing. Its killing me. My bootfitter has no answers, padding the tounge doesnt work. If I have the cable tight enough to keep my heel down then it cuts off my circulation which leads to a TON of pain. If I cant fix this problem these boots are going to the dumpster
post #2 of 21
What liners? Do you pronate?
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Intuiton gold, Yes
post #4 of 21
I am not a boot fitter by any means, but I would say that the pronation is the root to your discomfort.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
The pronation is supposed to be cured by the my foot beds, however Im not a boofitter either so I wouldnt know whether they do or not. Why would pronation cause my problem?
post #6 of 21
I've been told instep things are tough. Are you using the thinnest possible footbeds (unposted, heat molded)? I also seem to remember hearing that some folks needing more space have skipped the footbeds & molded Intuitions without them - just letting the bottoms of the Inutitions mold and act as the footbeds (although I'd imagine them to be mighty stiff).. That'd open up a bit more instep room. mntlion might have some advice...

As for...
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
...Im not a boofitter ...
Yeah, but you know some guys a few blocks away who are...

PS: Avy gear?
post #7 of 21
One common solution for a high instep with the Flexon (Raichle, Kneissl now Full-Tilt) is to have a competent bootfitter open up the throat of the shell upon which the tongue sits allowing for more room over the instep area. It's done with heat and a rib spreader type device. Simple stuff for a good bootfitter. The tongue will now contact the shell for the requisite heel hold down while providing more instep room.

Since the Krypton and Flexon are quite similar in basic design, I'd discuss this option with a good bootfitter before you decide to chuck your Kryptons. Lowering your foot inside the boot by adjustments to either the footboard or footbed (or both) are certainly other options (though those can effect how your boot fits along the side of your feet). A combination of all three approaches could be used and still not be much of a challenge for a good bootfitter.

When you see the bootfitter he can also check out any major pronation issues you might have. Good luck.
post #8 of 21
and the shell fit is???

(remove liner, toes at the front of the shell, you should have 0.5 to 1.5cm behind the heel and the shell of the boot)

if that is "in range" then work can be done, if more then that, start again 1 or 2 sizes down

a boot that fits correct you should have loose pressure on the buckles, and very little movement anywhere.

I think boots are the wrong shape or size.
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
shell fit is: I remove the liner toes at front of shell. and my heels touch the back of the shell. I am a size 13.5 US fit in to a 27 Mondo Shell. The boot is not too big.

There are no pressure points anywhere on the boot, all have been worked out by close to 40 hours of bootfitting work. however this middle link is killing me, I can not have it hold my ankle securely enough to allow me to use the boot as it is intended, without it cutting off my circulation and causing me massive pain.
post #10 of 21

a 13.5 in a 27.0 shell?

thats one hell of a tight fit
post #11 of 21
yuo can move that cable thing out further, being he master of the obvious jsut in case you missed something easy
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
If I move the cable out it doesnt hold my foot. mr obvious
post #13 of 21
You have ZERO shell space front to back, yet you have to crank the middle buckle in order to snug the ankle??

Something does not compute here.......

First, the Krypton (regardless of liner chosen) is not particularly low volume in the heel to ankle circumference. IF you have an ankle thickness like a soda straw, this is just the wrong boot.

Second, you are complaining about loss of circulation and pain and they can often be mutually exclusive. When you complain about ankle pain...do you mean the lateral (outside) ankle? Is your entire foot numb? or is it just pain on the ankle?? The Krypton as issued in '07 often has a need for some work to create an ankle pocket. (It doesn't really have one) This is especially so on the lateral side. This is not difficult but will require some work on the shell first, then the liner will have to be shaped to coincide with the modified shell.

SJ
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
You have ZERO shell space front to back, yet you have to crank the middle buckle in order to snug the ankle?? Correct

Something does not compute here....... Try restarting

First, the Krypton (regardless of liner chosen) is not particularly low volume in the heel to ankle circumference. IF you have an ankle thickness like a soda straw, this is just the wrong boot. See pics below I dont think I have soda straw thickness

Second, you are complaining about loss of circulation and pain and they can often be mutually exclusive. When you complain about ankle pain...do you mean the lateral (outside) ankle? Is your entire foot numb? or is it just pain on the ankle?? The Krypton as issued in '07 often has a need for some work to create an ankle pocket. (It doesn't really have one) This is especially so on the lateral side. This is not difficult but will require some work on the shell first, then the liner will have to be shaped to coincide with the modified shell.

I dont have ankle pain, it cuts of circulation at my ankle causing slowly building excruciating (and that term is NOT being used lightly) pain starting in under the arch of my foot slowly spreading to each corner toe to ankle. This process starts slowly not noticable for the first 5 minutes but by 15 minutes my entire foot will fill as if it is burning in agony. Re: Ankle pocket work, If I did more work on creating an ankle pocket I wouldnt have any shell left. The ankle pocket is there and fits perfect. It is just this cable buckle

SJ

Pictures, I hope they help:

Welcome to my boots aka Hell


Let me take you some of the basic components of hell in attempt to create heaven.



Drive Plate was added to combat the same problem that is happening with the lower buckle when it happend with the upper buckle. Upper buckle was cutting off circulation due to it needing to be too tight. Add Drive plate, take up volume viola, huge improvement

WC Booster Strap. Not sure what this does but when I added it also huge very noticable improvement so I use it

Different colored buckles: I have broken 5 so far, it has been suggested that this is because I am cranking them down too hard.

Reversed Bottem Buckle and Moved Middle buckle. Due to the Obcene amount of punching and grinding these buckles had to be relocated in order to close.

Unseen: Said Obcene amounts of punching stretching and grinding. When trying on this boot I was almost dying in pain because of my toes. i was told to shut up because the toebox can always be expanded. Well true to the bootfitters word, I have managed to create room where I never thought there could be previously. I have had probably 6+ different modifications to each toe box 2-4 modifications to boot body and ~ 4-6 modications to ankle area.

Shell Fit:

Not too big



Foot beds:



At one point in time (febuary or aprx 60 skidays ago) that white stuff spelled out arch molds



Not sure if this shot has any value but I took it just incase.

Now for a tour of my sexy feet and legs



There it is, Please note the Cankles (not sure how that happend I have almost no fat on me). and less importantly the bug bites (I'd like to thank the mosquitos at the campgroudn at the base of mt hood) my large calfs (I'd like to thank skiing for these) and the nasty veins under my fairly flat arch (i'll thank skiing for these too, my feet used to be immaculate )


not exactly soda straw thickness

And these last ones are to compare width
I didnt have a tape measure so I used a common house hold item to measure.









Anyways I hope these helped. If not oh well. If there are any more pics I can take that will help you guys help me with my problem. I have a will and a camera so....
post #15 of 21
oddly my foot looks likes your but only with much more mass behind the leg...my shins stay in contact with the front of the boot.

I run the longer setting on the cables dont know why you cant them tight enough like that, and FYI you can run these thing pretty loose and still perform great.

Only problem I have my setup is its so close fitting that my foot swells on hot days and makes it nearly unbearable, doesnt happen below 40 degree though. The first area it hurts are my 6th toe areas.
post #16 of 21
Wowzers!!

That's an A+ for effort.

The first thing that I see is the mass of soft tissue on the lateral side of the foot aft of the 5th met head. This kind of material can take some compression but at some point, the boot can be squeezing the foot from the sides and thus causing the issues you describe. Has the boot been modified in the area of that bulging mass? Although your foot and ankle are fairly thick, it does not have the instep configuration that would normally suggest creating room over the top of the instep. You might however, need some room at the sides of the instep. It is fairly easy to experiment with instep volume by grinding the boot board lower. If the effect is not positive, you can always replace the boot boards easily enough or replace the lost material with bontex.

Do you feel this boot is too soft? Do you think you are overflexing it? This is a common problem in Summer skiing and you could well be collapsing the boot. Or...was this an issue all winter as well??

So.........You might well be in a good size but a poor shape and you might be mashing the boot down on top of your foot due tothe warm weather. The foot bed may be the culprit although your foot looks as if it might be fairly soft. If so, it is probably not a candidate for more dramatic support.

Off topic hints......................

The only true repellent for those skeets is mud from the bottom of Trillium Lake. It requires that you coat yourself head to toe.

Judging from the look of those toes, you may be a descendant of the Hapsburgs. If so, get yourself a good lawyer....you might well own a goodly part of Austria.

SJ
post #17 of 21
I will second the soft boot because of summer temps.I **** canned mine for various reasons "had alot more hours in at shop plus 5 liners" but i did notice a big difference on pressure points when had it set from softest to stiffest flex.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
shell fit is: I remove the liner toes at front of shell. and my heels touch the back of the shell. I am a size 13.5 US fit in to a 27 Mondo Shell. The boot is not too big.

you right, me wrong.

'll go ride the boot fitting magic carpet in shame.
post #19 of 21
Me thinks we moderate to much..Me thinks this site has become to politically correct..Me thinks there are alot that agree

Thats what me thinks
post #20 of 21
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Me thinks we moderate to much..Me thinks this site has become to politically correct..Me thinks there are alot that agree

Thats what me thinks
Certain words have been ***'ed since day one when AC was running the site.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post


MUTANT TOES MUTANT TOES!



With regards to your problem, the happened when I was first using my kryptons, afer about 10 days it was gone. Has this been happening the whole time, or a recent development?

Someone told me that they've seen people cut little channels in the tongue of the liner to allow blood flow.
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