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post #1 of 36
Thread Starter 
is it Gotama pronounced

ga tah ma

or

ga' tama
post #2 of 36
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
is it Gotama pronounced

ga tah ma

or

ga' tama
well..it is summer time. :
post #3 of 36
I believe the word is Sanskrit, so the "correct" pronunciation probably isn't one you hear in the ski industry. In case you didn't know, Gotama is Buddha's first name. Apparently Volkl was shooting for a coolness factor in the west at the expense of insulting millions of people of the Buddhist religion. It's just like naming a ski "Jesus." If you really want to be hip you just call them "Goats" like they do over on TGR.
post #4 of 36
I usually say it GOH-tah-ma...hence the 'Goat' nickname.

I've heard it pronounced gohta-Ma with the first syllable very soft.
post #5 of 36
Thread Starter 
Phil is correct, this is a pure summer question

What got me thinking is that I always thought it was got a' ma. I was speaking with a guy in Steamboat and he pronounced it ga 'tama. So now there are 4 different pronounciations...

Thanks for the info on the name though. Typical, but I think it would be OK if they had Jesus Skis. They could put the "Buddy Jesus" logo on the bottoms like in Dogma.
post #6 of 36
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Thanks for the info on the name though. Typical, but I think it would be OK if they had Jesus Skis. They could put the "Buddy Jesus" logo on the bottoms like in Dogma.
You mean the "Buddy Christ"?


"Who's your Buddy?"
post #7 of 36
Thread Starter 
Excellent! Yes.... I thought it was Buddy Jesus? That would make an excellent top sheet as well. here you are hucking off a cliff or tumbling down a chute: who else do you want on your side?
post #8 of 36
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Excellent! Yes.... I thought it was Buddy Jesus? That would make an excellent top sheet as well. here you are hucking off a cliff or tumbling down a chute: who else do you want on your side?
I'm way ahead of you.......

post #9 of 36
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
I'm way ahead of you.......

But my friend VA you are not Christ but another apostle that can lead us to a better path that we may find ourselves in a direction that is better for us.
All the same this picture does speak a thousand words. Lead on VA . I'll come along.
post #10 of 36
Goat-Mama

SJ
post #11 of 36

it is summertime/ brains a-boiling

who's the guy in the wedding dress? scary...

could it be curry goat mama...a jamaican delicacy?...

down the way where the knights are gay.......h.belafonte
post #12 of 36
FWIW, Mudfoot, if anybody's insulted by naming a ski Gotama, he/she's not a real buddhist. The real variety would be more likely to giggle. Not a savior-centric religion.
post #13 of 36
Since the short term slang for the ski is "Goat", will there be people skiing on Old Goats in a few years. :
post #14 of 36
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But my friend VA you are not Christ but another apostle that can lead us to a better path that we may find ourselves in a direction that is better for us.
All the same this picture does speak a thousand words. Lead on VA . I'll come along.
Beware false prophets or you might find yourself possessing stainless steel capped skis.
post #15 of 36
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FWIW, Mudfoot, if anybody's insulted by naming a ski Gotama, he/she's not a real buddhist. The real variety would be more likely to giggle. Not a savior-centric religion.
I agree, just like all "real christians" always turn the other cheek and don't worship false idols (well, except Paris Hilton), unfortunately that is not the "real world." I personally find the fact that Volkl thought it was a good marketing idea offensive. Trivializing any religion for marketing purposes is corruptive because it breeds disrepect for other religions. Considering we are currently in what appears to be a worldwide religious war I think using an icon from a major religion on a ski as a marketing gimmick is an incredibly stupid idea. If this is acceptable then it shows that we have no respect for that religion, which I think millions of "unreal" buddhists would find offensive. On the other hand maybe enlightened Volkl employees were just manifesting the zen approach of "If you see Buddha on the road, kill him."

I realize that in the big picture this is a pretty insignificant issue, besides, it will all be forgotten when Volkl comes out with their “Raghead” model next year.
post #16 of 36
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
FWIW, Mudfoot, if anybody's insulted by naming a ski Gotama, he/she's not a real buddhist. The real variety would be more likely to giggle. Not a savior-centric religion.
Also, according to my wife (she's Vietnamese, so, of course, knows many Buddhists, but doesn't always pay attention to things like this and get them right, so I sort of trust her), they don't have to attend a weekly service. Sweet. I've been trying to convince my wife (Catholic) to convert, but, so far, no go.
post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
I'm way ahead of you.......


I never think "Christ" when I see this pic of you...More like "Rasputin".
post #18 of 36
On topic: I like "Go-to-Mama".
post #19 of 36
Off-topic, but more interesting: Mudfoot, totally with you about respecting other religions, totally agree about the mindlessness of commercialization, but you lost me with the "unreal Buddhists" tag. They are: western wannabes, lapsed, Bruce Lee, Mahayana vs Therevada vs Vajrayana vs. other sect?

Anyway as I understand it, the real point is that practicing Buddhists don't care. They don't worship Buddha, OK? When you see them in front of Buddhas, they aren't praying. They are practicing Samyaksamadi ("correct concentration") and using the Buddha as a point of meditative focus. Buddhism isn't analogous to any of the western Judeo-Christian-Muslim religions, and it's theologically distinct from Hindu practices. You might say that the closer you are to Buddha, the less you care about him. (Notice the lower case "him.")

You seem to think that this is "unreal" Buddhism, like Christians who turn the other cheek. Hmmm. I know Chinese and Tibetan monks who wear well-worn Air Jordans and ride knockoff Honda 90's around. They would find the "real world/unreal world" dichotomy you pose kinda amusing, since hey, according to the middle way, it's all semireal. "Real world" Buddhism doesn't take itself or its icons very seriously. That's the point.

Some of our western misconceptions probably come from too many martial arts movies, or seeing too many newsreel shots of monks on fire. Although Buddhism does not teach "turn the other cheek" - so it's entirely acceptable for use violence for self-defense or to defend your right to worship - each time you do so is a turn away from Sila, or attainement of passionlessness. And violence against any sort of sentient life - including your own - is a deviation from the eightfold path. So using your energies to face off corporate giants over logos is, ummm, very western.

What would be most respectful, IMO, would be for us western non-Buddhists to learn enough about Buddhism that we didn't make Judeo-Christian-Islamic assumptions about it...
post #20 of 36
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Off-topic, but more interesting: Mudfoot, totally with you about respecting other religions, totally agree about the mindlessness of commercialization, but you lost me with the "unreal Buddhists" tag. They are: western wannabes, lapsed, Bruce Lee, Mahayana vs Therevada vs Vajrayana vs. other sect?
Beyond: My inartfully worded point was that there are hundreds of branches of christians and sects of buddhists, each one believing they are the "real" deal. To presume that they are all so enlightened as not to be offended by the use of buddha as a ski marketing gimmick in the west seems to me to be naive and contrary to human nature. I fully understand that "real buddhists" should not be offended (and "real Islamists" shouldn't think we are the devil, and "real christians" couldn't possibly hate minorities, etc.), but I don't think you would have to look too far to find a professed buddhist that doesn't giggle at the Gotamas.

It is just a case of you looking at the glass as half full by saying that real buddhists should not be offended, and I am looking at the glass half empty by saying that there are undoubtedly millions of "buddhists" out there that are not quite that real. Your point is technically correct but I don't think that excuses Volkl, and I highly doubt that they considered your point when coming up with their marketing theme.

My assumptions where not about buddhism but rather about human nature. Unfortuantely, when severing attachement to the material world the ability to be offended by trivialization of your religion is probably one of the last things to go.

Here's hoping we all get more "real."
post #21 of 36

correct pronounciation

Is Fatah pronounced

FAT AH ?

or

F'TAH ?

Are US politicians pronouncing it F'TAH just to annoy me ?
Or is that that the way it is supposed to sound ?
post #22 of 36
Thread Starter 
well, as far as marketing goes, we are now talking about Buddhism when I am sure we wouldn't be otherwise? Who's marketing tactic was this?
post #23 of 36
I guess it just goes to prove, it's all good.
post #24 of 36
Well, it goes along with their other names, Karma, et. al.. It's not like they named the ski "Mohammad". Now that would be interesting.
post #25 of 36
The correct pronunciation means little to me as I refuse to speak of that ski by name out of respect to Buddhists.

Fatah would be a cool name for a ski!
post #26 of 36
Pretty lame conversation going on about Volkl disprespecting a religion for marketing purposes. I highly doubt anyone in the marketing room said; let's disprespect Buddhism.

My wife's a buddhist and taught me what the word Gotama means. I didn't know when I bought them. Didn't care either.

When I decided to buy a new pair, she said; But I like your Buddha skis.

I said; don't worry, I'm not replacing them...
post #27 of 36
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Well, it goes along with their other names, Karma, et. al.. It's not like they named the ski "Mohammad". Now that would be interesting.

Now that would be interesting. A whole new approach to skiing. Dodging bullets and RPG's.....

Samurai- yes, its lame, its July 10th dammit
post #28 of 36
Gee, I cant imagine how twisted Mudfoot's panties are going to be when he figures out that the guy on next year's Salomon Foil isn't Eric Clapton.
post #29 of 36

Awesome looking skis man!

Base on the current marketing trends it appears the ski industry has determined that many people actually buy their skis based largely on the names and the graphics. A few years ago when they came out with ski models that had fake bullet casings and sharp metal studs on the tips it seemed to me that we had reached the point of actual clown skis. The more recent offers include the “Snoop Daddy” (actually a good ski) so that you can reflect on that great ski icon Snoop Doggy Dog while using them. What’s next, the Paris Hilton model powder ski?

Does marketing skis based on things completely unrelated to skiing really hurt anything? In most cases certainly not, but something about it just insults my intelligence. We have become a society that honors form over substance, so I suppose it is only natural that the ski industry has succumbed to marketing skis which elude to rap artists, video games and religious figures.

Call me a cynic, but I don’t apologize for thinking that ski marketing has reached the point of absurdity. All those people who buy their skis based on the names and graphics are probably the same ones that come to ski towns and pay good money for bottled water instead of drinking the fresh mountain stuff coming out of the tap for free. Marketing is a very powerful and insidious thing. If you choose to simply dismiss it as a joke then you get exactly what you deserve, which may include skis that look cool in the lift line but ski like crap, but I'm sure your last ski purchase had nothing to do with how the skis looked or their name.
post #30 of 36
Actually some of my skis' graphics I hate, but I ski/own them because they are great skis. At least for me (and probably most good/accomplished skiers) I buy skis based on performance, not for what they look like. Although, I may consider the "one night in Paris" monoboard when thats released.
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