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Buying gear in China

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Has anyone purchased gear at retail in China?

Considering that several great skis are made there, it might be possible to pick up a deal on Gotama's, for example. I'll be in Beijing in September.

Michael
post #2 of 21
Not sure, but one of my friends gets great deals on imitation North Face & Mountain Hardwear gear whenever he's in Beijing. Wonder if they have Volkl knockoffs available.
post #3 of 21
I thought about this when I was over in Hungary uears ago. I figured that i could pick up cheap gear, not the case. You will also have to deal with customs and taxes, IMHO you will be spending more in time and aggrivation than you will save in dollars and cents.
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I thought about this when I was over in Hungary uears ago. I figured that i could pick up cheap gear, not the case. You will also have to deal with customs and taxes, IMHO you will be spending more in time and aggrivation than you will save in dollars and cents.
Yes, buying gear in Eastern Europe offers no advantage..., not with the closeouts in the good ol' U.S.A.

Still, I'll do a little hunting, Chinese products are very cheap when sold domestically.

Michael
post #5 of 21
You do not know whether they are real or imitations. Couple of years ago, my friend bought a whole set of Callaway Big Bertha golf clubs (irons and woods) 1 putter plus a golf bag for US$150 in China. Taylor Made cost the same but quality not as good.
The shop told him they were not real Callaways clubs (at least he told the truth), the real Callaways would cost more than what you paid at home.

In any case, skiing/snowboarding is treated as the next "IN" sports for the rich and elite. Salomon, Burton etc are selling there but not cheap at all. So, I am not sure buying skis in China in China is a good idea.
post #6 of 21
Highly doubtful.

Legitimate retail sporting goods from European, Japanese, and American companies (even if manufactured in China) are typically sold like luxury items targeted at the upper crust of society which includes the local rich and elite, expats, and foreign visitors (you). That said, prices are often higher, not less, than equivalent items stateside.

As far as pirated, imitation, or grey market goods, thats an entirely different story...
post #7 of 21
So, you're only going to look at -FLAT- skis, right?

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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Yes, buying gear in Eastern Europe offers no advantage..., not with the closeouts in the good ol' U.S.A.
The selection's way different. I'm kinda hankering for some new sub-10m sidecuts.
post #8 of 21
Forget it.

The people who made the skis for export knows exactly what it cost over here. They're not going to let you take one away when they can keep the profit themselves.

What you might ended up with, are imitation that aren't nearly as good, even if from the same factory. Whatever don't pass QA are sold locally. But do you want those?
post #9 of 21
China has "zones" where products destined for the rest of the world are manufactured. Think North Face, Volkl, etc.

Just don't think that you can actually waltz over there and buy same. Yes, you can buy a North Face parka, or a Sony TV, or a Volkl ski. Any resemblance to the real item will be purely cosmetic, unless you know a party offical or friend of the manufacturer. The real deal gets shipped out.

Don't waste your money and time.
post #10 of 21
Regardless of authenticity, I highly recommend a trip to the Silk Street market. Whether you buy anything or not, it can be quite an entertaining experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Street
post #11 of 21
What I've seen so far when directly bought in China were badged as well-known brands but all cheap remakes of inferior quality.

What has been mentioned before is true: In Asia (even Japan) declassified/inferior products which don't meet specs or didn't pass quality control is mostly sold on their domestic markets - have noticed it myself upon visiting manufacturing corporations there. I wouldn't rule out same happening with skis but if you try good luck!

A friend of mine recently brought me a Lowe backpack out of China which I passed on to my kids for youth hostel purpose. But there's no way I would ever consider it for real mountaineering use like my original one.
post #12 of 21
Most of the stuff you see over there will probably be cheap knockoffs, which will probably be pretty bad considering i've seen shipping invoices for the real stuff going directly to the north face and mountain hardwear with the prices they're paying. like $10-$20 for gore-tex xcr north face jackets or $35 for a mountain hardwear 4-season tent. i think the knockoff makers probably have to cut serious corners to get much cheaper than that.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
I agree that cheap knock-of are the norm in China for most goods.

I was wondering if anyone had seen a genuine ski such as K2 or Volkl sold in China?

Michael
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
I was wondering if anyone had seen a genuine ski such as K2 or Volkl sold in China?
I have never seen any skis (legitimate or fake) sold in Beijing or Shanghai. I would be particularly interested in seeing a fake pair.
post #15 of 21
I try not to buy any items that I care about from companies that manufacturer in China. Bikes, skis, high-end audio, tools, backpacks, tents etc.. China has never been know for quality nor for make the best products in any industry. I would rather pay for ski made in Europe or the USA where the guy making the ski is a skier and loves skiing and has a passion for the sport, than in China where the guy making the ski has never seen snow. Early in my life I bought items on a cost-value bases. that was ok then because I could not afford much else. But over the years, I have learn that buying from smaller North American or European companies that are aiming to produce the best quality product, is less expensive in the long run. What I mean is, the items last longer, their preformance is superior, they have style, there are unique and they give me more pleasure and less worries. I feel everyone deserves to ski on the best ski they can afford. Don't short yourself on an inferior product, buy something that will provide fun, enjoyment and pride for years. It is hard to find that type of product in China.. IMHO
post #16 of 21
The same had been said regarding cars made in Japan, back in the 70's.

Yeah, "buy america". Like GM and Ford cars. Qualty & passion, too. Right!
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
....Considering that several great skis are made there, it might be possible to pick up a deal on Gotama's, for example. I'll be in Beijing in September.
Michael
Best of luck with the Goats Michael....scout out the valid food!
post #18 of 21
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...in Europe or the USA where the guy making the ski is a skier and loves skiing and has a passion for the sport, ...
You don't really believe this do you? I worked in a knitting mill and did a good days work. Can't say I had a passion for knitted goods.
post #19 of 21
Many of the US and European ski manufacturers are small and produce handcrafted skis. The people who own and work at these companies are there becaues of their love of skiing. Because almost all these companies are small you don't have a factory atomsphere. GM and Knitting Mills are factories. Factories are what you will find in China and that was my point. Buying a ski from a selected US or European manufacturer is more like buying a Bentley or Vera Wang. I guess the real point is that why buy a mass-production ski when you can buy handcrafted ski. Ok, the only reason I can see is the price. Don't expect to get a Ferrari for the price of a toyota..
post #20 of 21
Knitting mill I worked in was small too.

Although I was never in the K2 factory when it was in the states and I haven't been in the K2 factory that is now in China, I'm guessing they are very similar and I bet they are staffed by people who have the passion to do their job well and bring home a pay check.
post #21 of 21
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Don't expect to get a Ferrari for the price of a toyota..
Wrong thread?

The original poster want a "deal"!!!

Not a Bentley, with price to match.
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