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post #31 of 43
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
Frankly, this Senator sounds like a real ass. He's one of 100 people representing the country at the Senate, and he's investigating the layoffs of 30 ski area employees? I wish he were a Senator here so I could vote against him.
I doubt that you would have voted for him if you lived in Vermont. There are many who don't like him. But he won and is very popular for exactly this reason. He will get involved in those issues big and small which affect the state. He even voted against the war:

I think that he would like to see Killington hire locals. If foreign workers come in and fill jobs at minimum wage then the wages will be kept down. He doesn't want that to happen in Vermont. He would like to see workers paid what the market will bear.

I think Bernie might be a socialist:
post #32 of 43
Note to Harry Morgan:

I didn't make this issue personal, I'm waiting for two special words before I report your post to the mods.
post #33 of 43
I look at laws. I look at lots of laws.

Laws are nice. They are here to protect us.

But! You can have all of the laws in place and if there is no mechanism in place to monitor and enforce those fine laws they are useless.

Who is monitoring all of these alleged "job that Americans won't take"?????

Are there snoops checking the local papers to see if they were even advertised in the local papers?

Are there snoops that are going to conduct interviews with corporate staff to see if the "employees" were hired through off shore brokers?

Are the snoops going to travel to these "lands afar" to cinch up the case of corporate funneling of foreign workers who often come in under "unique" conditions ..... let me emphasize the term again ..... unique conditions. Where they are housed, how they are fed and how much they are paid in salary.

There is a very dark side to a lot of this foreign labor and practices that work for some and amount to almost prisoner status for others.

Note that Dunkin Donuts took action against several of it's franchise holders here in NJ this week regarding an "illegal pipeline". My read on this by the way is that DD took action before the feds did to take the heat off their nation wide operations.

Your government does not have the money to "police" the ski and doughnut industries much less the gas stations and "Paki-Marts".

I see lots of laws that are dead in the water due to the lack of any enforcement mechanism.

I'll retract the comment about the senator being an idiot; he is just so far removed or divorced from the reality of any investigative or enforcement action that it is sad, and it builds up the perception that any help is on the way. I hope I am wrong in that assessment.
post #34 of 43
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I am sure a lot gets missed. But this is a small operation and it's a small community. It won't be that hard to investigate, and it's not so much the enforcement, but the spot light. They are on notice. Many Vermonters (and Highway Star) are not happy about the direction things are moving. We've seen some of the frustration here on Epic. I bet that Bernie's office is getting an ear full.

Along the lines of what Eric pointed out, how far do you take a small scale issue like this.
post #35 of 43
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
Note to Harry Morgan:

I didn't make this issue personal, I'm waiting for two special words before I report your post to the mods.
horse crap?

Your post was condescending, and that makes it personal as much as my reply to you. If however your ego was hurt by my remark, then report away.
post #36 of 43
Washington eh. What lobby do you work for? Sure doesn't sound like you have the interests of the common citizen in mind now does it. It's all in the bottom line, whatever it takes to keep the business running well into the black.

Quite frankly Harry, it sounds like you would be happy if those locals just disappeared with the melting of the last of the snow. Hell just import another batch of "em" to seat you and wash dishes; just as long as your tourist needs are met when you arrive from DC?

The concept here is synergy between the company and the local economy; like all things in life, it ain't a one way street.

Libertarian?
post #37 of 43
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Washington eh. What lobby do you work for? Sure doesn't sound like you have the interests of the common citizen in mind now does it. It's all in the bottom line, whatever it takes to keep the business running well into the black.

Quite frankly Harry, it sounds like you would be happy if those locals just disappeared with the melting of the last of the snow. Hell just import another batch of "em" to seat you and wash dishes; just as long as your tourist needs are met when you arrive from DC?

The concept here is synergy between the company and the local economy; like all things in life, it ain't a one way street.

Libertarian?
Try again. I don't go to Vermont to ski, not even Killington. I live in the other Washington. I'm a local. I work two jobs - one of them as a ski instructor where I get paid minimum wage. And no, I'm not a libertarian, not even close. I just don't believe that this is an important matter for the federal government.
post #38 of 43
It is a law. It is on the books. Other (most) countries have strict laws to protect their citizens. It is a federal law.

And, the federal government should stay out of it?

Then via your logic, free for all time? No rules?

I guess we have to guess regarding the main bread and butter job. Hire any illegals in your main gig?

PS ... Yuki was an instructor who was getting screwed by the imports.
post #39 of 43
Vermont's minimum wage is $7.53, goes up every year per the inflation rate.
post #40 of 43
Yuki - you're being an ass. On my other job I'm a fire chief. My firefighters make about $50k to start with overtime. I have never hired an alien, illegal or not in this or any job.

Re-read the article. Other than the implications made by the Senator, I don't see that this is an issue about foreign workers - Killington has said they don't have plans to replace them with foreign workers. They're full time jobs - I'm assuming they're not the kind of jobs that pay minimum wage. Further, if there is any allegation of illegal hiring practices, they are first the responsibility of the state. If the federal government needs to get involved, then there are people within the government whose job it is to investigate those labor violations.

If you ask me, this is grandstanding on the part of the Senator. And I will stick to my assertion that there are more important issues in this country then whether or not lifties are here on a work visa.
post #41 of 43
Harry,

My post was a critique to the thoughts posted, not a fact finding misison on who was being hired.....

Changing the subject, rather than address the point....effective debating but on a low level.


I agree that any company in the US has a right to fire anyone justly...especially if they are no longer productive. However as another person posted....ASC was likely not being very wastefull on likely their highest expense...employees. And while these employees were not likely making state minimum wage, I bet they were not seeding the mattress with cash either. I would also be confident that these, unlike change of administration jobs, were not politically motivated. "I'll fire these 40 employees and hire my own cronies".

It may be a management technique to reduce expenses.....Fire this person who started at 16,000 a year and has made their way up to 22,000 over the last 8 years; then rehire them at the starting wage of 17,000. All the talent is retained but at a new wage. Local employee is happier to be hired....after being fired, rather than having his/her wage reduced willy-nilly. Not saying its right or wrong.....finances would answer that for me. This technique also assists management in getting past company employees on "board" to the new program. Some employees that are retained from one company to the next...have a way of wanting to drag their previous thoughts/workflows and management styles into the new job. Same job, new boss mentality. Having to interview and be rehired, effectively erases this. Again, I am not espousing this....just saying it may be taking place.
post #42 of 43
Is the senator grandstanding? Of course he is and that's why I called his act on it.

Being an ass? Perhaps, but you were playing a bit close to the vest; I took a stab and I was wrong.

However, if it is a federal law, the state has no say in enforcing it. Simply put, they can't do it.
post #43 of 43
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However, if it is a federal law, the state has no say in enforcing it. Simply put, they can't do it.
Most federal labor laws are established and managed through the states. For example, OSHA has no authority to enforce worker safety standards in this state, they simply mandate that the state has rules that meet or exceed. It is the state labor and industries that enforces the laws.

The same is true for minimum wage rules.

Visas are issued by the feds, but unfair labor practices are the responsibility of the state...but this issue may fall directly under Dick cheney and the new secret police...
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