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Your advice please, which bindings for Twin Tips?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Need your advice! Setting up a pair of K2 Enemies for my 13 yr old son. Got a great deal on the skis and now want to set him up with a good set of binders. He skis the whole mtn (been skiing for 10 yrs.) and is spending more time in the pipe and park. He's raced for last few years so he's pretty aggressive. I can see him pounding the K2s pretty hard so I want him to release when he really needs to. I have several pairs of Markers, M51s, M9s mostly SCs don't think those would be a good match. He's right at 115lbs so thinking a DIN range around 3-10.
So now you have some history.

Which binding would you recommend?

post #2 of 16
My kids & their friends went to twin tips a few years ago. They pounded all sorts of bindings in terrain parks, pipes, moguls, etc. The Salomon's with the driver toes held up the best. Later model Rossi/Look bindings with the turntable heel did well, too. The Markers tended to have things break and crack especially the SC variants. Personally, I would choice the Rossi Axial bindings for your son. Salomon 810 Ti's would be my second choice.
post #3 of 16
I'd go with the Look/Rossi turntable bindings. They are among the lightest, they add the least weight extending past the boot, and their elasticity should help with landings.

post #4 of 16
I'd also go with the look/rossi turntables. mine have held up great. salomon would be my second choice but I've seen some problems with them.
post #5 of 16
I was whatching on ESPN last year a bunch of them guys that like flipping all over the place in the half pipe and noticed most to be using LOOK/Rossi bindings. I would go with those, i think they have the most elasticity of any binding i have ever seen. Wouldnt touch a Salomon binding with that driver toe crap as its one of the only bindings that doesnt realease upwardly at the toe peice, somthing you mite need when your flipping landing any which way.

[ October 10, 2002, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: dc9mm ]
post #6 of 16
Bergkamp ME TOO,, no upward release in what some people boast about that driver toe which is total crap, only binding i wont use is Salomon. Only reason i can see for that toe peice design is maybe like Atomic race bindings have an adjustment to either put upward toe release set to hard or locked so apparently if you race you want the toe peice not to release upwardly if your racing. But at least you can set it on Atomic bindings but no choice with Salomon. Wish i new that before i hurt my knee two years ago with those crappy Salomon design Full driver toe bull. I love it when i hear when somone says i ski Salomon bindings and never hurt myself, well they just havent had a backwards fall YET.

Sorry about the rant. I hate bad designs that people say are good.

[ October 11, 2002, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: dc9mm ]
post #7 of 16
I've got my twins mounted up with Rossi Axial binders. Great binding, fact is, all 4 pairs of my skis have Rossi or Look's on them. However, when setting up a twin tip park ski, keep the lift to a minimum. Don't want any extra leverage on his legs, plus he will have better feel as to whats going on under his ski.

The Look P10 Spacer or the Rossi 100 would be the binding that I would look into.
post #8 of 16
So, who here actually rides the park? Or who here actually stomps big airs in the pipe or park? I would trust their opinions/expreience with bindings when hammering gear in the park. I would agree that Rossi/Look axials are a good way to go. I am amused at the Sollie bashing, though. I put Sollies on my park skis because they lack a vertical release at the toe. Three years ago I was jacked by a pair of Marker 9.1's that "just did what they were designed to do" and let me out in a situation where I would have rather stayed connected to my gear. Oh, well. The Markers don't suck now. In fact I still ski them. The fact is that skiing can get you hurt. Hell, park riding can get you paralyzed or killed, and yet we want to blame it all on a binding? Sounds like an accepted risk we all decided was worth it.

Here is a question for us all - How many of us wear brain buckets every time we ski ?

Now my rant is done, as well.
post #9 of 16
Originally posted by Bandit Man:
Here is a question for us all - How many of us wear brain buckets every time we ski ?
I do. I've even turned around a few times to go back for it.

I ride in the park from time to time, and even go big every now and then. As do quite a few of my friends. Most of us are on looks/rossi due to release characteristics (smoothness of release, elasticity, weight), and a few on Tyrolias. Binders are personal pref, just like a ski is.

If I were shopping for a 13 year old kid, I'd look at the posters in his bedroom, and then buy the binding that said idol is using.
post #10 of 16
I am really impressed with the entire concept of the Axial/Pivot. Just bought a pair of them, they seem really safe.

I have had real problems with my Salomons, which other people seem to rave about, but seem to enjoy injuring me.
post #11 of 16
Personally, I like the Rossi's bindings the best but my second choice anymore is Salomon. The driver toe might not have upwards release in the toe but it does have a design that makes it require less side force to release in a backwards fall. The main advantages of the driver toe are they are tough and they do a great job of retention. After seeing kids in the parks blow out of other bindings again and again leading them to crank the DIN up I decided the better toe retention at a lower DIN is better than the limited upwards release other bindings have.
post #12 of 16

Glad to hear that someone else out there sees the full spectrum of the safety question. I am glad to hear that someone else on this forum likes the park from time to time. I realize that my days as a park rider will most likely become less and less as time goes on, but I feel it important for folks to comment on types of skiing and equipment with which they have first hand experience.

I will admit one reason that I prefer Salomons...
Shop folks can buy more than one pari through their shop employee program. Also, Rossi ran out of bindings before skis last year, so I couldn't put Axials on my XX's; They have 912 Ti's instead.
post #13 of 16

Salomon 1080,177cm,(00) have LOOK Pivot 12
Salomon PocketRockets(02), 185cm, Rossignol
AXIAL T-Plate 140

Bindigs are extremely good and reliable. The turning
heel have saved my knee couple of times (****ed up landings). The best part of it is that the pinding has a HUGE
tolerance in sideways movement, thangs to the rotating heel
piece. After a not-so-well-executed drop, I once had my heel twisted 45´ to the right. The heel piece followed up, the succed up the heel back to its original place. And I continued skiing non stop. Never had any icing problems, no premature releases and have allways released when needed.But my pinions are a little bit biased. I have only tested one Marker binding (dunn remember what...)
and some salomon bindings (812 and 912 Ti) dont have anything to say of them. I didn´t make craters while skiing
on them. And last winter was my first year on skis, so....

And yes, I allways wear a lid and nowadays a backarmour (dainese) too.
post #14 of 16
I believe you should go with Rossi/Look Pivot binding also. They are reasonably light weight, have the shortest mounting points of any binding, they release every way you could want a binding to release and you can get them as seperate heel and toe pieces, seperate heel and toe pieces with lifters, or with a plate underneath etc. Also you can really set the DIN at what it's supposed to be and be confident it's not going to pre-release or anything nasty. They seem fairly reliable also with not alot of breakage problems. I would suggest the seperate heel/toe combo for the park/pipe world. Another choice might be some Tyrolia's.
Look for the ones with the Diagonal release heel and Toe. These are sweet bindings and release in all possible directions also, they are built really well and alot of people seem to overlook them. (the Cyber D8 is on my personal skis for your info. and I love it. It's also has one of the best ABS designs out there) The one complaint about the Tyrolia's is they are heavy, but the 03 ones are suppoed to be 20% lighter. Check out the Railflex models. I looked really long and hard at all bindings and it came down to these 2 choices, if I had to do it again I'd probably go with the Rossi/Look bindings but I'm happy with my Tyrolia's and my knees are too!
post #15 of 16
Just in case you haven't thought of it, I would also recommend a helmet, no matter how uncool your son might think it is!

He is at that age where fitting in and taking on challenges is very important. Skiing in terrain parks or going fast downhill requires a helmet. DON'T you dare compromise on this one! Your son's well being is at stake!

BTW: if you look hard, there are some pretty cool looking helmets out there.

[ October 19, 2002, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: wink ]
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Heh guys.. thanks for all the feedback. I went with a set of Look Pivot 10 giving him a DIN range of 3-10. Mounted on a new a pair of 163 Enemys and Tecnica Icons (he raced in them last year).. great boot.) Besides being an adequate park and pipe ski, they'll do well onand off piste. Especially for the Cascade Crud we get here in the PNW.

Wink - thanks for your comment and concern for helmet. I wouldn't have it any other way! He's been wearing one (Boeri) since skiing at age 3. He's now in a new Giro Flint SC with brim, chin guard and all. We ALL ski with lids! Hitting the boarders can be pretty tramatic some times, if not them us!

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!

Snows a coming!!!!!!!
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