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Which Elan to buy???

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi there,

I'm way down here in New Zealand and the ski season is not far away (big storm at the mo dropping loads of snow) so I need to get cracking and get myself some skis. I've been away for a few years so this will be my first purchase of shaped skis and I'm not gonna get a chance to demo any so I'm looking for some help please

I've got a friend who can get me some Elan skis at cost price and he's given me the 2007/2008 catalogue to look through, but he doesn't know a lot about them himself.

I am 181cm and 192lb (87kg). I guess I am an Intermediate or advanced Intermediate skier and I normally stick to the groomed trails although I have just bought a 5-year ski pass so I might widen my horizons a little and get off-piste a bit more (will still mainly be on the groomers though I imagine). We don't really get the light, fluffy powder like you guys do in North America, so any powder we do get is normally a bit heavier and wetter.

Having read most of the reviews on here, I had pretty much decided on the Magfire 10 which would best suit my ability I think. The Magfire 12 and Speedwave 12 are the two others that I am considering.

However, most of the reviews are based on the older models where the Magfire 10s and 12s have a sidecut of 75mm as opposed to the latest Magfire 12 and Magma which have a sidecut of 82mm. Does this mean that they won't perform as well on the groomers as the older 75mm skis??? This is pretty important as thats where I'll be doing most of my skiing.

Finally, I see that Elan no longer have a Magfire 6 and they have introduced the Magma above the 12, so they still have 4 skis in the series. So does this mean that the new 12 is the equivalent of last years 10, although a different sidecut, or will this years 10 be similar to last years as it still has the 75mm sidecut???

Sorry this is so long, just wanted to get all my questions in there

Thanks for your help. Looking forward to the feedback.

Cheers
Sol.
post #2 of 19
Mag 10 or 12. 10 for the skier you are now, 12 for the skier you will grow into.
post #3 of 19
Here is a link to my review of the Elan Wave Spice, which is the Women specific version of the Elan Magfire 12.
2008 Elan Wave Spice Review


In the review you will see that a couple guys(aggressive skiers) tried it out too and they are both thinking Mag 12.

I'm not saying you shouldn't consider the 10, but I also don't think you'd go wrong if you took the leap to the 12.
I certainly love it.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks

Thanks for the replies

Sounds like I couldn't really go wrong the either the Magfire 10 or 12. Will the wider body of the Magfire 12 in the 07/08 version, 82mm versus 75mm I think, make a noticeable difference? If so then maybe I should go with the 10 which still has a 75mm sidecut........decisions decisions
post #5 of 19
Also consider the Speedwave 14, if your going to be on the groomed most of the time.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by kiwi78 View Post
Hi there,

I'm way down here in New Zealand and the ski season is not far away (big storm at the mo dropping loads of snow) I guess I am an Intermediate or advanced Intermediate skier and I normally stick to the groomed trails although I have just bought a 5-year ski pass so I might widen my horizons a little and get off-piste a bit more (will still mainly be on the groomers though I imagine).
I'm not an Elan expert but know their reputation for making excellent skis.
If you will be skiing mostly groomers at least for now it seems that the 75mm waist will worker better on the groomed than 82mm and still be quite versatile.
Top carving skis are still generally in the sub-70mm range and many of these are quite versatile. If you make a good use of your five year pass, you will likely be changing skis again no matter what ski you get now.
Have a great season.
post #7 of 19
The Magfire 10 will be perfect for you. If the new dimensions of the Mag 12 hadn't changed, I would have told you to look there also but with a 82 mm. waist they just won't ski as well on the groomers.
As good and versatile as the newer skis are becoming, an 82mm takes longer to get on edge.
The Speedwave 12 is also a terrific ski but it is really an on-piste ski and won't be as versatile in deeper snow as the Mag 10. The Speedwave 14 is pretty much an expert groomer ski and I think you'll find it not as much to your liking and it might also hinder your development on shaped skis.
post #8 of 19
Have any of you read my review?

I'm telling you..............I was shocked at how the Elan Wave Spice(Female version of the Mag 12) was on the groomers, and in the crud. The Wave Technology, which is not in the 10, is awesome.

I had a blast ripping it up with these midfats, and didn't have a bit of trouble carving. The only thing they didn't excel at were bumps and tight turns, both of which they will do, but not their specialty.

Don't be scared of the Mag12!!!
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by kiwi78 View Post

I am 181cm and 192lb (87kg). I guess I am an Intermediate or advanced Intermediate skier and I normally stick to the groomed trails although I have just bought a 5-year ski pass so I might widen my horizons a little and get off-piste a bit more (will still mainly be on the groomers though I imagine). We don't really get the light, fluffy powder like you guys do in North America, so any powder we do get is normally a bit heavier and wetter.

All the more reason to go with the Mag 12. Now, which length, the 168 or 176? I would say the 176.
post #10 of 19
I spent several days on the Magfire 10 at Copper in hard conditions (6 ft 220). It was a 176. The ski just wouldn't hook up. I suspected the tune and had it tuned again-no change. It just wouldn't hook up. I have tried Elans w two sheets of metal-they're wonderful. With your size and weight - I would say Magfire 12 - definitely. If you want a strict carving stick - I really love the Ripstick (if you can find them). Also the SLX Fusion Pro. All of them have 2 sheets of metal.
post #11 of 19
Hi There,

I have the Mag 10 in 160 and I absolutely love the ski. At that size it skis like an all mountain slalom ski which is what I like. Stability is just fine. The only weakness is in absolutely bulletproof ice.

The side is 126-75-109 I believe, and that's comparable to Atomics Metron 11 B - 5 I think. The most common size in that ski that I saw out here was 162....so don't go too long since the ski has so much side cut.

Anywhoo...I'm 5'10" and 175 pounds and I really like the ski at 160. Another instructor where I work liked the same ski in a 168.

Fun, fun ski, and tons of performance.

My $0.02.

thanks,
Chad
post #12 of 19
Right so apparently the magfire 12 is actually going to be 80mm underfoot, and the new magfire 14 magma will be 82mm. bloody hell it's hard to get info on the 14, the website looks like it hasn't been updated for 07/08.

I'm kinda in the same situation as you, tryna find a ski suitable for Ruapehu. Only real difference between us as far as i can tell is that i'm a bit lighter at around 73kg.

Having looked at Salomon and K2 because I could get them cheap, i've kinda headed away from them as I found out that I should also be able to get Elan. I dunno, they just seem to have a better reputation as far as i can tell.

I was originally looking at stuff like the K2 crossfire (advanced groomer), but as I do like to get off piste I'm now thinking that maybe I should go for something a bit fatter. The magfire 12 looks like it could almost be the ski for me. I dunno about you, but I always like to get better so I reckon it's worth looking a little into the future (especially with your 5 year pass - that would be for Ruapehu would it?) and getting something that'll push you into becoming a better skier. I don't think I'm really considering anything lower than the 12, and I'd describe myself in a similar way to you.

I'm also *kinda* thinking bout those midfats in the Elan range (all i can find is last year's M777, dunno how similar they are this year). I like to get off piste as much as possible so I just figure they'll give me a bit more versatility for that, as well as when there's that horrible Ruapehu slush at the end of the day. Course, it means being a bit slower edge to edge, but yeah. It would be nice to know how the hard-snow grip of the midfats compares with the magfire 12s for when you're stuck on the icy stuff.

I wouldn't restrict yourself to staying on the groomers though aye, I used to think that way too before I realised how much better it is offpiste on a good day.
post #13 of 19
Is the Magfire 14 now the Magma Fusion?
I could be wrong. I was wrong at least once before
I think Phil has the Elan Catalog, maybe he'll have more info. He does seem to have his finger on the pulse.

hope he doesn't press on the pulse too hard and cut off circulation to the important stuff
post #14 of 19
The Magfire 14 and the Magfire Magma are indeed the same ski. After skiing it in the spring, it is a pretty beefy ski. The 12 and the 14 have the same dimensions.
post #15 of 19
Magfire 12 and Magfire Magma differs only in additional titanium layer in Magma. The same geometry (126/82/109). I’ve skied on new Magfire 12 in March. Great skis, but a bit heavy. And Magma is significantly heavier.

Except on one photo where Glen Plake is holding skis labeled Magfire 14, I didn’t see skis with such label anywhere. I have copies of two Elan catalogues (European and Australian) and the name of the skis is Magfire Magma. Even Skidepot is selling Magfire Magma as Magfire 14: http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...Code=ELANMAG08 . Why? Easier to remember 14 than Magma?
post #16 of 19
I thought that the preliminary catalog had the Magfire Magma and the 12 with an 82 waist, as well as the Wave Spice, but when the final catalog came out the 12 and Wave spice were actually 80.
Am I mistaken on that?
It appears that the Wave Spice was the only one that was different.
post #17 of 19
You are right. Wave Spice is in catalogue 82 mm, but it real life is 80 mm : http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...roduct_Count=4

Magfire 12 is 82 mm in both worlds: http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...roduct_Count=1
post #18 of 19
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. [b]It would be nice to know how the hard-snow grip of the midfats compares with the magfire 12s for when you're stuck on the icy stuff.
M power series or the 888/999/quad 1?
post #19 of 19
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M power series or the 888/999/quad 1?
Well, all of them really, though not up into the 999 etc. I personally would be interested in something midfattish, probably not over 90mm (though considering a BD Havoc), and am really just wondering how the magfires differ from the fatter skis apart from the obvious turn radius etc.

I'm confused by exactly what's going on with elan's 07/08 range... hadn't heard of the M power series...?, i might give the supplier a ring next week and try to sort out what's going on heh. I wish they'd fix their website.
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