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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I have destroyed my Atomic M11's and I need to get some new skis, but need some recomendations, since Demo season is too far away.

I am ~180 lbs 5'11", ski everything challanging, I do a mix of out west skiing in the powder. I have loved the M11(05 model) ~163cm, they handle everything I threw at them, bumps(a bit stiff, but very possible), powder, woods, groomers and etc. They turn on a dime with little effort and are very confidence inspiring with the deep side cut. The Mid fat can handle floating through the powder, so I don't want to go to narrow.

Options I know of
Atomic M11 B5
Atomic Nomad (I hear these are a good lighter weight softer version)

I need other recomendations, I have no problem skiing on last years model, because my equipment does not last that long.

Thanks
post #2 of 14
When I bent my M11's, they were replaced with the M11 B5. IMHO, a much nicer ski that M11 was. But with the B5 version, go longer to teh 170 version. I had a 172 M11 and they were replaced with the M11 B5 in the 170 and I would have prefered the 176. If you are limiting yourself to the Atomic line, I would add the Sweet Daddy to list, you can find left overs of them on Ebay real cheap. Past that, there are sooo many choices out there, few bad choices, many great choices.
post #3 of 14
Put your hands in the air and step away from the metron!

Seriously. I loved my Metron MB5 and got a ton of grins from them but I have had tons more fun experiencing something totally different.

I am sure Phil will chime in with some input on his son who went from an M11 to the Elan 888 and is kickin' Butt!

If I were you I'd think Elan Magfire 10, or maybe Nordica Top fuel or Nitrous. These will do all the Metron will do for you but will take you to a new dimension.
If you really want to stick with Atomic, which has some great options, the Nomad is getting some great reviews (I would like to demo this ski) and the Snoop Daddy kicks butt. Both of these will be completely different than the metron.

Edit: by the time I typed this and posted, phil already chimed in.
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
something totally different.

I am sure Phil will chime in with some input on his son who went from an M11 to the Elan 888 and is kickin' Butt!
Huge jump in his skiing going from a Metron (M10, but same construction as the M11,but with a but less sidecut and IMHO, a better ski than the M11) to a more traditional ski like the 888. As TC mentioned a lot of people are jumping to 15-17M radius skis like a Mag 10 or 12 or even a AC3 or 4. If you are looking at these skis, with your size, you will need to get into the 170's.
post #5 of 14
Huckit!!

You know the Metrons, apparently liked them, and probably don't know too many other skis. That makes a reasonable case for sticking with that series. If you do, the M11-B5 is a fine ski and the longer sizes that Phil mentioned is absolutely the way to go.

IMO.....suggesting a totally different ski for you without more info is like throwing darts in a dark room.

You mention a mix of out West in the powder...........But..........
  • What are you mixing the Western powder with?
  • How often do you get out west vs. wherever it is that you normally ski?
  • How often have you encountered powder deeper than say 12" or so?
  • What are your priorities? (powder or everyday conditions)
  • And what are your everyday conditions?
  • How experienced a skier are you?
  • How old are you?
  • How many days/season do you ski?
  • What percentage is west vs. South or East?


Finally......Howwww confuzed are you willing to get??


SJ
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Huckit!!.

IMO.....suggesting a totally different ski for you without more info is like throwing darts in a dark room.



Finally......Howwww confuzed are you willing to get??


SJ
In case you didn't notice, I like to try new stuff and throwing darts in a dark room is my specialty

I'd still suggest trying one of the Nordica options.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
In case you didn't notice, I like to try new stuff and throwing darts in a dark room is my specialty
Blindfolded no less....with one hand tied behind her back riding a unicycle.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post

I'd still suggest trying one of the Nordica options.
I might suggest a Nordie as well (they are among my faves) but I'd like to know a little more beforehand so I'd have some idear of which one to suggest.

SJ
post #9 of 14
I have to go against the grain on this one.

I really like the Atomic Beta 5 skis. I think if you want a 76mm ski that is great for carving and still respectable and really fun in other situations its hard to do any better than the MB5 or M11 B5.

I love my Nordica Beasts. After demo, I was surprised that the better perfroming skis in the hotrod serries was the Nitrous (carbon 78mm) and the modified (Ti 74mm) which are on the small side of their width spectrum. These skis were both lots of fun to ski, compared to other skis their size I have been on.

The bigger flagship skis in the hotrod line, I really just don't know what they were thinking. Super stiff tips and almost totally dead tails. The carving fun I have found availible on other 7X or 8X mm wide skis just isn't there with their JEtfuel and Topfuel skis. They are stable, but the versatility I expect form 1ski quiver mid-fat isn't really there either. For exampe, the im88 is abetter carver, has a fun lively feel and is wider and much more stable at any speed than the jet ot top fuel and the im88 is fun no matter where you are on the hill.
post #10 of 14
New for next season is the Head IM78. Another option is the Head IM82. Neither are as turny as the Metron M11.
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

My responses

Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Huckit!!

You know the Metrons, apparently liked them, and probably don't know too many other skis. That makes a reasonable case for sticking with that series. If you do, the M11-B5 is a fine ski and the longer sizes that Phil mentioned is absolutely the way to go.

IMO.....suggesting a totally different ski for you without more info is like throwing darts in a dark room.

You mention a mix of out West in the powder...........But..........
  • What are you mixing the Western powder with? East coast Ice, heavy wet snow, some pow and back country
  • How often do you get out west vs. wherever it is that you normally ski? 6-10 days out west versus 10-30 out east
  • How often have you encountered powder deeper than say 12" or so? only a few days a year
  • What are your priorities? (powder or everyday conditions) Everyday, but don't want to struggle on those powder days or in the frequent woods runs, or such.
  • And what are your everyday conditions? The east coast mix
  • How experienced a skier are you? 18 years advanced/expert, 8 years of 25+ days, I can do anything, but do not have refined form of competitive experts.
  • How old are you? 31
  • How many days/season do you ski? 15-35 dependign on the conditions
  • What percentage is west vs. South or East? 25% west

Finally......Howwww confuzed are you willing to get?? Not too confused, I don't want to buy multiple skis, or buy something I will hate, or another dust collector like my Atomic SX's, which are made for one type of skiing. I ski for the fun of it, and want to be able to go anywhere on the Mt. I don't need pretty equipment, just fully functional!!


SJ
My comments are above
post #12 of 14
Hi Huck it

I would look at several skis in the 72 to 78mm wide-at-the-waist range. I agree that the Head Monster 78 will work well for what you describe, Also consider the Dynastar Contact 11. These skis are versatile, like the Metron.

Like Phil and others have said, the main change you need to make is length. Consider something in the 170 to 180cm size. This will provide better performance at higher speeds and in softer snow.

Michael
post #13 of 14
Huckit:

Fair enough.....good answers.

I think that barretscv has nailed your general category pretty well and also hopefully reinforced that you should be on a somewhat longer ski. The great news for you is that there are tons of great skis in this width category which I call 70/30 skis. This stands for 70% groomed and 30% everything else.

Within this broad category, I think there are two subtly different groups of skis. They are not dramatically different but rather offer two different "shades of grey" on performance. One sub-group will shine a little more on hard snow and have more of the feel of a "carver" Skis like the Contact-11, M11-B5, (or M-10) Volkl AC-3, Fischer AMC 76, Rossi Z-9 etc. etc. fall within this grouping. Others in this width range have a bit less sidecut and are generally a little softer torsionally. These will give up a touch on the hardest snow, but will give a little more forgiveness in the weird stuff we find in the off trail conditions. These would include, Dynastar Legend 8K, Fischer AMC 79, Rossi B2 (or B-3) K2 Recon, Salomon XW Tornado.

Any of these (among others) would be great choices. I'd suggest that you focus your priorities between those two shades of grey, and go shopping for something in the 170+ range.

SJ
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks to everyone who provided insight on my options!! Now I can start shopping looking for something in the longer ski range, without waiting till Demo season when prices are at their peak. The longest day of the year has past, winter is just around the corner.

When moving to some of the light weight options like the Daddy's and others without integrated binding mounts. What risers are good and how much rise should I go for for aggressive skiing?
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