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What is best ski machine?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Does anyone have an opinion on what is the best ski machine for simulating skiing? Pro-fitter, Skiers Edge or something else.
post #2 of 23
I have the Skier's Edge (classic model) and I would say that as far as simulating skiing....... well, I doubt any machine can really do that. I does work some appropriate muscle groups so I think it's a good tool for a flatlander like myself to use in order to prepare for the mountains.

I've had conversations with peeps who thought that it would be a good tool for learning how to ski or to become a better skier and again, I would say that no machine is going to accomplish that.

As far as it being a good aerobic workout, I'm pretty disappointed with it in that regard. The classic model just doesn't require enough effort even with the powder/mogul platform to keep my heart rate much above 140 or so. They've got newer models that have more vertical travel and thus would require more effort to use. I'm sure I would prefer one of those but they're pretty expensive so I'll be sticking with the one I've got for now.

HTH

BTW, welcome to epicski!
post #3 of 23
The Ski Deck is a decent tool to experience some of the fundamentals. John Clendenin in Aspen has utilized and operated them for decades, Jim Rodnunsky has a few set up in NYC, there is a chain of stores called Sun N Ski across the south which at one time boasted over 40 of the decks..(not sure how many are still functioning), and out on the West Coast, there used to be several (Moving Mtn in Santa Cruz, Clendenin's were at Any Mtn in Cupertino back in the 70's, etc- but its likely there are extremely few still operating)

If you could find one, they are actually pretty good devices...
post #4 of 23

Try these

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Does anyone have an opinion on what is the best ski machine for simulating skiing? Pro-fitter, Skiers Edge or something else.
Although not a "machine" inline skates offer a very good ski simulation. I spent many years off season on five wheel inline skates and thought the crossover of movements was very close. This spring I got a pair of Comp Harb Carvers and they are even better. Best off season training I have ever done. I think it is a tremendous tool for skiing improvement when there is no snow. Look into them, definitely worthwhile and alot of fun. Bolter
post #5 of 23
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Clendenin's were at Any Mtn in Cupertino back in the 70's, etc- but its likely there are extremely few still operating)
The one at Any Mountain was a large one too. There was another place in the 70's down in Redwood city near the Circle Star theater off 101...I can't remember if it was affiliated with Any Mountain or a different name, but I know they had one there...I distinctly remember checking out the ski deck, skiing on it and lusting over an "Astro-tunes" before anyone ever heard the name "walkman".
post #6 of 23
Oh yes... the venerable Astral Tunes... a cassette player you could fast forward, but not rewind... So to replay a particular track, you had to eject the tape, turn it over, fast forawrd, then reverse the procedure... very handy, indeed! lol Worn on the chest, it weighed about 3 lbs....

If you had one of these in about 77-78, you had it all going on!
post #7 of 23
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If you had one of these in about 77-78, you had it all going on!
Yeah, almost as cool as the Bone Fone!
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So to replay a particular track, you had to eject the tape, turn it over, fast forawrd, then reverse the procedure... very handy, indeed! lol Worn on the chest, it weighed about 3 lbs....

If you had one of these in about 77-78, you had it all going on!
If I recall, it was basically a car stereo stuffed into a padded chestpack. I can remember having a car stereo once that only had FFWD also. We have it easy now!
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
You are making me feel old because I can vaguely remember the cassette players you are talking about.

With regards to the harb carvers, does anybody know if/where they are available in Australia.

I used to go grass skiing in the off-season but all the grass skiing places have now closed down because they couldn't get insurance.
post #10 of 23
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You are making me feel old because I can vaguely remember the cassette players you are talking about.

With regards to the harb carvers, does anybody know if/where they are available in Australia.

I used to go grass skiing in the off-season but all the grass skiing places have now closed down because they couldn't get insurance.
Go to Harbskisystems and look into it. Try the PMTS forums also.
post #11 of 23
Susie,

Any exercise that is balance related is good for your skiing. Even balancing on one foot while doing daily chores such as washing dishes or folding laundry is helpfull. Skiing is the best skiing exercise, but mountain biking, skating, horseback riding, and dirt bike riding are all fun activities that can help your skiing.

RW
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by vail snopro View Post
The Ski Deck is a decent tool to experience some of the fundamentals. John Clendenin in Aspen has utilized and operated them for decades, Jim Rodnunsky has a few set up in NYC, there is a chain of stores called Sun N Ski across the south which at one time boasted over 40 of the decks..

If you could find one, they are actually pretty good devices...
They still have those at Sun and Ski. I like the one at the Memorial city location better though, it is a HUGE carpet treadmill on an incline, perhaps a 30x 40 rectangle of moving carpet. I asked if they would let me try it, and they said that they only gave lessons on it, that people couldn't freeski on it. They then proceeded to give me a speech about how they were a PSIA certified ski school and were certified instructors. I tried my best not to laugh. You and I should walk in there sometime, Ric, and see if they would let a longtime examiner use it, since they are PSIA certified after all... :

On the other hand, I have no desire to try those ski deck things. It doesn't look nearly as fun or useful to me as the big carpet treadmill. (There is one at the Katy Mills location if you feel like driving, Ric )
post #13 of 23
As far as conditioning the same muscle groups in the same ways, and requiring very similar balance, mt biking works wonders. I pretty much just ride XC and it seems to be the best conditioning for skiing I've found, and keeps me on my game balance wise too.
post #14 of 23
Hi Susie!

I put on my rollerblades and got on my treadmill the other day. It was fun and felt pretty close to skiing! I've been reading about the ski decks on this formum and thought it would be fun to try but there are none available in my area so I made my own! .
post #15 of 23

I vote for Pro-fitter...it rocks.

I have a ski fitter...The car drops at each end of the rail and asks for more dynamic balance than the floor fixed models on legs. If you fall off the outside, the car will stay put and the rails travel. The down un-weighting /up un-weighting give quite realistic zip out of a turn. One legged lateral moves are great for skiing the inside ski out from underneath you. Good fore/aft balancing...One legged fore/aft moves are wayy cool.
post #16 of 23
I recently got the Skiers Edge All-Mountain Master. I think it's great. I broke my right leg and ankle this past ski season, so it's fairly low impact and the perfect rehab tool. I watch Warren Miller videos when I'm on it, to remind me of my goals. I can tell that my right leg is not yet as strong as my left, even though I skied about 40 days after recovering from both breaks. My right leg used to be stronger; my goal now is to bring the right leg back to where it is as strong as the left, and then go on from there.

One reason we purchased it is that we saw the improvement in a friend of ours after she got and used her Skier's Edge last summer.

Yes, it's repetitive motion and it's more fun to be outdoors on a bike ride or to be in Chile right now (I wish!) but you can vary resistance, stance, short, medium and long radius turns, and build up to a great workout. For an indoor machine, I believe it's the best one on the market.
post #17 of 23

You need to try SkiXtreme- www.skixtremeworkout.com I am 52 years old had a skiers edge didn't really like it it to 30 min+ to really feel the machine work, it was hard to change bands, and you were limited on your workout( Not to mention the cost!) SkiXtreme you feel it in under 3 minutes. Now its not a simulator but more of a muscle trainer! You can lean forward putting pressure on upper thighs, You can pull back and sit in a squat!, You can also go no handed working your core! and You can also go to one side only working your stops! You can't do any of those on a skiers edge! Do not underestimate this machine it has made the BEST athletes cry mercy! Over the last 3 years my legs have been pillars of steel, my skiing has changed dramatically and no one waits on me! Check it out John

post #18 of 23

  I own a skiers edge big mountain with a slope simulator upgrade--got it at an estate sale for $500...30 minutes straight thru, every other day all summer and fall=tremendous workout!! I like to vary the tempo a lot, rather than making the same metronomic movements for the duration of my workout. Combine this with LOTS of BC skiing, backpacking, and mountaineering...come november, I'm ready to go...

 

    zenny

post #19 of 23

I have one to Zenny, I usually do interval work at high intensity. Great preseason workout.

Seems John Skimaster joined the site today to promote his product? I looked at the promotional video, and if that is the way you like to ski then perhaps it could work, but....

post #20 of 23
Yeah eh? Bumping a 6 year old thread to advertise a product on his 1st post...
post #21 of 23

Why not promote?-  

 

"In seconds, my quads were on fire,
It works as well as the skiers edge
ski trainer, which costs $3,995 and
takes up 3 times the floor space."

Roy Wallack
LA TIMES  

 

post #22 of 23

It looks to have a limited range of motion compared to a Skiers Edge or Fitter First Pro Fitter.

post #23 of 23
Bumping this thread.... Been skiing 5 times this year so far (abasin, breck and couple of times at keystone). No legs in the afternoon. Generally good health but don't exercise specifically fo skiing year round. I want to take poll from epic ski with several questions???

1. Which ski machine do you own?

2. How long is a typical workout session?

3. Do you use visual aids for help (big flat screen tv, ipad cellphone) with extreme skiing or training video?

4. How about music, earsplitting techno surround sound or ear buds.?

Just trying to get some insight on setting up a work out area that will feature a ski trainer.
Any responses welcome...thanks
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