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post #31 of 50
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JIm,tchpdx,Rio,PowHog,and all...
Thanks for your thoughts and expert advice, god how I love this site. All apreciated.
post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Salomon has never heard of wood.

Don't ever talk about Salomons and Volkls in the same breath. It's disrespectful to Volkl.
Last year they had some wood in their X-wing line. I haven't bothered researching yet, but I'm willing to bet some '08s do too.

I'm a wood guy too. my gotamas rule.

I wanna try bamboo. Kingswood or Obsidian. Maybe someday.
post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Last year they had some wood in their X-wing line. I haven't bothered researching yet, but I'm willing to bet some '08s do too.

I'm a wood guy too. my gotamas rule.

I wanna try bamboo. Kingswood or Obsidian. Maybe someday.
That post was more of a joke than anything.... I've always been a big Volkl fan, and have never really liked any Sollies I've tried. Next year I'm switching to Blizzard, though.. If you haven't tried a pair, you might be surprised. They are really nice.
post #34 of 50
um.... why was my post a joke?
post #35 of 50
samurai,

I think UP Racer meant that his previous post, this one below, was a joke.

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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Salomon has never heard of wood.

Don't ever talk about Salomons and Volkls in the same breath. It's disrespectful to Volkl.
post #36 of 50
What Jim said was basically great. Sollie makes a great powder ski, always have since the Force 9, no matter what some folks say. They do lack on groomers, but so what? I found the Gun (188) in both wood and foam (foam is lighter and snappier, wood more damp..) to be really fun off piste- quick and turny, fun in bumps(!!), stable in 188 (not at all in the 174), with a smooth flexing round turn. I found them confusing on green groomed runouts and even fell over once. I guess the 101 waist + massive sidecut takes some getting used to on the flats..or I'm a dork.
If the Goats are anything like my Mantras but softer they should really rock in powder. Also, Sierra pow tends to be heavier (than our Utah stuff), so that Volkl authority should come in handy. Bushwhacker consistantly syas thyre realy grate, and other thna having a spede prblom, he's got good jugdment.
The Gotamas are gorgeous, with next season's gold 183's already sold out in some shops here, even at $750. The Sollies you can pick up anywhere (baby blue/ grafitti 188 foams) for under $450. The answer of course is to try them both back to back on the very first pow day next season. Both are good skis, with the Goat having the edge in popularity.

I got in trouble this year because I ordered some PM Gear Soft Bros that never came. In the meantime I picked up some Mantras and loved them like crazy, but wanted something softer for the ultra deep- I shied away from Goats because of their "long turn only" rep, and found some 05 188 Gun labs with the wood core, the handmade ones. These exel in the blower. Then I got a pair of blem Bros and I'm really digging them, especially in funky spring snow, ice, everything but pow so far because we ran out of it.... The regular Bros should arrive anytime now and after spending some time with Bushwhacker he's got me really curious about the Gotamas. So there's a potential gear "problem" developing. What makes it worse is that it's now summer, although it snowed in Park City yesterday, but it didn't stick...
post #37 of 50
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post
samurai,

I think UP Racer meant that his previous post, this one below, was a joke.
Even so, anyone with "UP" (as in "upper penninsula") and "Racer" in their name would be crazy to like the Blue Noodles, no? Something very sharp, very stiff, very German/Austrian in ze quiver, yes?
post #38 of 50
got it. silly me.
post #39 of 50
Slow night tonight. To sidetrack the thread, We had boocoo snow/rain up here in the last few days. Here's a little walk some of the maggots took; http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=87149
post #40 of 50
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Salomon has never heard of wood.

Don't ever talk about Salomons and Volkls in the same breath. It's disrespectful to Volkl.
Something new for you... a Salomon with wood!

Salomon X-Wing Lab 2008
http://global.skipass.com/gearguide/...-Wing-Lab.html

This thing is kind of a monster at 198cm. I bet it's a stiff plank.
post #41 of 50
Would not the comments on this thread about the Gun also apply to the Sandstorm. Seems like the very same ski with different graphics and a sawed off tail (listed as 1cm shorter in corresponding lengths). Dimensions and cap molds are identical.

Also Sollie's ads in this past season's ski mags touted wood cores in the XWing line.
post #42 of 50
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Originally Posted by Fritzski View Post
Would not the comments on this thread about the Gun also apply to the Sandstorm. Seems like the very same ski with different graphics and a sawed off tail (listed as 1cm shorter in corresponding lengths). Dimensions and cap molds are identical.

Also Sollie's ads in this past season's ski mags touted wood cores in the XWing line.
The Sandstorm and the Gun don't have an identical feel, but they are fairly close. The SS has a bit firmer tail and more of an alpine flex as opposed to the rather "parkish" flex that is typical of many Sollie twins. Neither one is really better than the other but the Pocket Rocket fan will feel right at home on the Gun. The skier who likes a softer wideish ski, but likes to feel a little more substance in the back third of the ski may find the SS more to his taste than the Gun.

Sollie did tout the Wings as wood cores last year but at least some of them were wood surrounded by a urethane foam. This was not a bad thing as the Tornado and Fury were a nice fit for someone that was a fan of the old X-Scream. The '08 Fury is all wood and is a quite different ski from the '07.

SJ
post #43 of 50
Thanks Jim. I was actually hoping you'd be te one to reply.

Down to a choice between Storms/187 and Gots/190. Tempted to go with the Storms which I can get for less than cost and save at least $200. (5'11"/180, ski CO, quiver:Contact11/172, AC4/177)
post #44 of 50
First, you have built an excellent and sensible quiver so far. I also think that an easier going wide ski such as the two you are considering is also a very wise choice. As I have posted before, the reason that I picked up the Got this year myself was not because it is burlier, beefier or more agressive than my Sugar Daddies. The only reason was that it is easier. I haven't skied the SS back to back with the Got so I can't give a direct head to head on them. I can say that when I skied the SS, my impression was that it was nice and easy and did the things that I like a fat ski to do. I don't agonize over fat skis the way some folks do so I just lump the two into a similar performance category. I'd say that you'd have a great time on either.

SJ
post #45 of 50
Jim,

Thanks and BTW although I've been in Phoenix for the past 18 years, before that I lived just a stone's throw from your shop over in Rio Linda at the Bell Aqua water ski community. Lived there from '85-89. Loved it and had a great time skiing everyday with all the Sac State kids. (even ended up marrying one:>)

Next time I'm in the area I'd love to get by and see your shop.
post #46 of 50
FWIW : I demoed the SandStorm (07) on spring conditions (bullet proof refrozen in the morning, slush later) and liked it. It's fairly soft but hold quite well on refrozen snow. Very maneuverable. The side cut didn't get in the way of stability IMO. I would have liked a stiffer tail, but not as much as with the Fury. Just a matter of personal preference. (A stiffer Fury in 08 sounds interesting BTW : I liked the ski but for the flex).
I don't know the Gun, but the SS is indeed a beefed up PR = nice ski !
(I didn't get the chance to ski it in the deep stuff...)
post #47 of 50
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(A stiffer Fury in 08 sounds interesting BTW : I liked the ski but for the flex).
The new Fury is a very very good ski but Salomon did not forget the popularity of the '07. They tried to keep some of the ease and nimbleness of the current ski while beefing it up enough to please those who wanted more power. In the latter part of the season, two of my employees and I manged to hit Kirkwood on a day following a small overnight snowfall. There was maybe 6-8" of straight fall, but quite a bit more in trees and in the pockets. Plus, as a bonus, the surface underneath was frozen up like a coral reef. It was a great day, but pretty rough at times. The new Fury was a lot of fun in those conditions and of course, those are more realistic conditions than the 2-3 feet of pristine powder that we all fantasize about and agonize over. I think the new Fury is going to be enough ski for most skiers without being too much for them.

SJ
post #48 of 50
'05 S Lab Guns have a foam core. Base, edge and cap are also different than the current Teneighty Gun (can't remember the specifics). Current Teneighty Gun has a foam core, double wall/light fiberglass cap construction and wider/re-inforced edges. Sandstorm has a foam core, double wall fiberglass cap construction and re-inforced edges. Both skis come out of the same/similar mold.

IMO - they both ski well. Gun is softer, damper, more forgiving and just enough power to handle most variable snow conditions. Sandstorm is stiffer (more fiberglass) and powers through crud much better and floats as well as the Gun. It also carves well for its size. One thing that I noticed on the Sandstorm and other X-Wings was the tips are a little grabby in variable snow. If you look at the tip compared to other brands of skis there is very little transition radius between the tip and where the effective edge starts. Never felt it on the Gun even though it has the same tip shape as the Sandstorm? Could be the softer flex?

'08 Fury feels completely different than the '07 - carbon/fiberglass double wall cap and a full wood core - burly for a Salomon ski.

As far as Salomon designing skis for the masses vs. the rippers? Maybe? They do ski a little softer in lenght than some brands but torsionally stiffer than most. From my personal observations most people who dont like Salomon skis where unable/unwilling to adapt to something different than what they are familiar with. That and there are some people that straight up hate the brand. How does that happen? How do you get that kind of rep?

mtbakersnow - 188 Gun sounds your speed given your build and ability. However, demo is the way to go - no regrets!
post #49 of 50
Stand out from the crowd, ski better and find your skis easily on the rack after lunch: Stockli Stormrider DP Pro in 184cm. Perfect for everything you listed as important to you.
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Andrew - Don't mean to hijack, but I bought a pair of DP's in 174 a while back. (Love my XL's, Mantras aren't smooth enough, great deal on the DP's). What's your opinion on mounting position?
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