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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
The past 2 seasons I have skied on Atomic. In 04-05 on SL 11, and then in 05-06 on SL12 and GS12. I constantly had a problem with pre releasin in both seasons. However this happend both seasons later in the year, could this be related to my skiing. I did have the bindings checked and even adjusted both years. I always keep an eye on them, and kick all snow from boots. I know there very sensitive in that way. I would like to get the problem straigtend out before next season because I will be on the same skis. Any suggestions?
post #2 of 17
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Originally Posted by scracer View Post
The past 2 seasons I have skied on Atomic. In 04-05 on SL 11, and then in 05-06 on SL12 and GS12. I constantly had a problem with pre releasin in both seasons. However this happend both seasons later in the year, could this be related to my skiing. I did have the bindings checked and even adjusted both years. I always keep an eye on them, and kick all snow from boots. I know there very sensitive in that way. I would like to get the problem straigtend out before next season because I will be on the same skis. Any suggestions?
I need a little more information than that. This happens on 2 pair of skis with different bindings? When do they pre-release, in the bumps or heavy spring snow? do they release in the toe or heel (if the heel is still down, and you have to cock it to get back in the binding, you probably release in the toe)? what level are they set to, type 1, type 2, type 3++?
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
This has happened only on each set of SL skis.
Every time its happened its been on the race course.
Its happening from the toe and the heel.
They are set past Level 3++.
post #4 of 17
The Atomic Race 412 and 614 bindings are notorious for failures- we warrantied at least half a dozen pairs this last season after customers would come in complaining about the same thing. Threw them on the tester, and most of them wouldn't test past a 6 or 7. One of the many reasons to laugh at the Atomic diehards.
post #5 of 17
What models are you using?

You might want to move up to the 1018 models on your SL skis if you continue to race on Atomics.

Michael
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
Yea, I have heard that about the Atomic bindings. I am looking for other ways around it. the 1018 is a possibility.
Currently they are set on 13, and at only 150 pds I cant see that I should be coming out of the bindings. They are the 614 Model.
post #7 of 17
I have had a couple pairs of 614s and also experienced some pre-release problems. Research on this forum led me to believe that it was probably caused by adjusting the forward pressure screw on the heel pieces with the boots in the bindings. This can strip the screw and cause it to loosen the adjustment during skiing. I have found on my Atomic bindings that they work better with the adjustment screw set one or two clicks beyond flush, but I do not recommend this for anyone else since it goes against how Atomic says they should be set.

I believe Atomic requires that when adjusting 614s or 412s you need to take the boot out of the binding, adjust forward pressure, put the boot back in and see if the adjustment screw is flush, then take the boot out and adjust again until it is correct. It is a pain in the ass but if you do it the easy way with the boot in the binding you can cause a problem that will lead to perpetual pre-release. It has been my experience that many ski shops have employees that are not aware of the correct procedure for Atomics because most other bindings can be adjusted with the boots in them.
post #8 of 17

Neox is better

Use the Atomic Neox binding if you can. It's better.
The forward pressure problems that Mudfoot mentions are real. Also check the forward pressure when both skis and boots are cold (plastic shrinks). The regional atomic rep told me a few years ago that the solution to the forward pressure problem was to increase forward pressure. Check with your rep/race shop for details.

Otherwise switch to Head, Fischer or Elan and Tyrolia bindings. Get the Austrian ski feel with a good binding! Looks and Salomons work well also.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post
Use the Atomic Neox binding if you can.
Not an option on the race skis. Only thing that works is the Atomic/EssVar Race. And if you're blowing out of or blowing up 614's, the 1018 is usually the way to go.
post #10 of 17
I recommend skiing on Markers for a season - if you go back on atomics after that, they'll feel GREAT and your number of preleases will decrease dramatically.


.... or, buy something besides atomic and stick a plate with FKS's on them. Best bindings ever.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
Not an option on the race skis. Only thing that works is the Atomic/EssVar Race. And if you're blowing out of or blowing up 614's, the 1018 is usually the way to go.
yes, the 1018 is usually pretty bombproof. Most of the advice I have been given has been to increase the forward pressure a couple of turns past flush on a race ski.
post #12 of 17
A few throw-in thoughts:

- Agree with those who suggest the 1018.

- I thought the defective Atomics were limited to the old bindings, which the OP is probably not using. They're the ones with opaque colored plastic shells, rather than mostly black shells with translucent colored trim. I had some of those, which came with some used skis, awhile ago and they seemed to pre-release from the heel for no obvious reason. I replaced them with the new ones, and haven't had a problem.

- Of course, for racing you need to crank the DIN up. But 13 for a 150-pounder sounds like it should be more than sufficient. So far as I can tell, the standard used by full-sized Masters racers is something around 11, though various people do various other things.

- Mudfoot's advice sounds right from everything I know. If you adjust with the boot in, you won't necessarily create a problem, but you might.

- Forward pressue is commonly identified as an issue. That said, I once skied all day, including in a course, with my forward pressure accidentally set so loose the boot could rattle a little bit, and had no pre-releases. So who knows ....
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post
- I thought the defective Atomics were limited to the old bindings, which the OP is probably not using. They're the ones with opaque colored plastic shells, rather than mostly black shells with translucent colored trim. I had some of those, which came with some used skis, awhile ago and they seemed to pre-release from the heel for no obvious reason. I replaced them with the new ones, and haven't had a problem.
Even with the newer Neox bindings the Atomic manual says to take the boots out of the bindings when adjusting the forward pressure screw.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post
A few throw-in thoughts:

- I thought the defective Atomics were limited to the old bindings, which the OP is probably not using. They're the ones with opaque colored plastic shells, rather than mostly black shells with translucent colored trim. I had some of those, which came with some used skis, awhile ago and they seemed to pre-release from the heel for no obvious reason. I replaced them with the new ones, and haven't had a problem.
The defective bindings were limited to the older ones. But even the more recent versions seemed to have some overall reliability issues at times. With some people I race with, the issue with 614's was never pre-release but complete heelpiece failure in sometimes spectacular fashion with the binding cracking into multiple pieces. These were some pretty big dudes though, and I agree that 150lbs and a 13 din, there shouldn't be any issues. But of course, there are always exceptions.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
Not an option on the race skis. Only thing that works is the Atomic/EssVar Race. And if you're blowing out of or blowing up 614's, the 1018 is usually the way to go.
I've driven neox bindings on my gs12 this year - worked perfectly fine.. And ebay even sell GS12 with neox:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Atomic-GS-12pb-18...QQcmdZViewItem
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
I've driven neox bindings on my gs12 this year - worked perfectly fine.. And ebay even sell GS12 with neox:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Atomic-GS-12pb-18...QQcmdZViewItem
Those are race carvers. I was referring to race stock.
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Even with the newer Neox bindings the Atomic manual says to take the boots out of the bindings when adjusting the forward pressure screw.
"How to adjust the forward pressure" and
"some Atomics were defective"

are two separate topics. The "how to adjust the forward pressure" topic applies to all of them (and, I think, some others brands). The defective bindings were, well, defective.
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