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post #1 of 18
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We have one for beginners, why not experts

...terms bounced around, that are used in MA and in general. It would make this site more effective if terminology were explained and defined so that more people would understand what is being said.

I for one complain that the MA provided is too technical. Sometimes it seems like the review is not meant for the person requesting it, but for some academic board. But without more advance analysis all we would hear are things like "sitting back" or "get forward" (two of my favorits).

If technical analysis is going to be effective and broad in nature more people need to understand what is said. There are plenty of great skiers at Epic who don't know this stuff.: (I'm not the only one right )

A glossary like this would need more developed explantions that would even include examples of what to look for and what the cause and effects would be.
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
We have one for beginners, why not experts

...terms bounced around, that are used in MA and in general. It would make this site more effective if terminology were explained and defined so that more people would understand what is being said.

I for one complain that the MA provided is too technical. Sometimes it seems like the review is not meant for the person requesting it, but for some academic board. But without more advance analysis all we would hear are things like "sitting back" or "get forward" (two of my favorits).

If technical analysis is going to be effective and broad in nature more people need to understand what is said. There are plenty of great skiers at Epic who don't know this stuff.: (I'm not the only one right )

A glossary like this would need more developed explantions that would even include examples of what to look for and what the cause and effects would be.
Good God, look at the 7 pages of argument among the cogninatzi about whether a "brushed turn" is skidded or not...what are you fishing for with yonder can o' worms?
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
Good God, look at the 7 pages of argument among the cogninatzi about whether a "brushed turn" is skidded or not...what are you fishing for with yonder can o' worms?
What he said ^^^^^^

As I run screaming from the room!:
post #4 of 18
Acutally, I think Paul Jones is on point with this.

I've thought about asking for MA here but wondered if it would do me any good, or if it would be way too minute and technical for me to understand. I have also never bothered to have someone video me just making normal turns, because I'm too lazy to convince someone too, but thats another matter.
post #5 of 18
The folks that make skiing hard to understand are not good teachers. Ignore or skim over their posts. Skiing is not rocket surgery, KISS.

Glossary entry: KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid.
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
The folks that make skiing hard to understand are not good teachers. Ignore or skim over their posts. Skiing is not rocket surgery, KISS.

Glossary entry: KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid.
My husband told me KISS stands for Keep it Sweet and Sexy. Must not have been simple enough for him: . Or maybe he was buttering me up for those new skis he wanted.
post #7 of 18
A glossary would serve the forum but we also can make use of the deep volumes of knowledge in those that participate in this forum. When I don't understand something I ask. PM the poster or make a post of my own.
Or you can purchase a copy of BB's Complete Encyclopedia of Skiing and gain access to many terms used often here.

The resources are here to name any term you don't understand .

You just have to ask.

The detailed introspectives of the skiing movements are for the participants to gain a deeper understanding of what goes on in such a complicated tool that is the human body. Often it is right before our eyes(Bob's Tale of three turns) but we don't understand completely what we are seeing. Then with the input of some respected coaches the rest of us gain a deeper understanding of some facet of this sport.
Instructors don't teach often with many of these terms but when they discuss amongst themselves, for reasons of clarity, they must use common words that signify many movements of the body in a simple term. It's a lot of stuff to wade through but with a bit of homework you can begin to follow and take part these conversations.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by GarryZ View Post
A glossary would serve the forum but we also can make use of the deep volumes of knowledge in those that participate in this forum. When I don't understand something I ask. PM the poster or make a post of my own.
Or you can purchase a copy of BB's Complete Encyclopedia of Skiing and gain access to many terms used often here.

The resources are here to name any term you don't understand .

You just have to ask.

The detailed introspectives of the skiing movements are for the participants to gain a deeper understanding of what goes on in such a complicated tool that is the human body. Often it is right before our eyes(Bob's Tale of three turns) but we don't understand completely what we are seeing. Then with the input of some respected coaches the rest of us gain a deeper understanding of some facet of this sport.
Instructors don't teach often with many of these terms but when they discuss amongst themselves, for reasons of clarity, they must use common words that signify many movements of the body in a simple term. It's a lot of stuff to wade through but with a bit of homework you can begin to follow and take part these conversations.
So, by not building an understanding of terminology, the talks on technique that are part of what make EPIC so great, are limited to high level instructors. You say right before our eyes, "Tale of 3 Turns" is exactly what I am referring to. Some of the discussions that have taken place on EPIC have really helped my skiing. But these discussions were all explained in everyday language.

These higher level discussions could benifit many with some assistance in terminology. It would make EPIC more attractive to regular skiers and instructors who have not been exposed to these concepts.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
Acutally, I think Paul Jones is on point with this.
Thank you Maggot, you are a clear thinker
post #10 of 18
I don't disagree but it is a complicated undertaking. Let's see what Nolo , SSH and others think about this. Maybe we could start a thread . Build one in the instruction forum and see what it shapes up to be.
There is no one stopping one being started. As far as making it a sticky and building one in a form of permanence that's not for us to decide.

Give it a start PJ . I think it would be useful. We could copy and paste as the definitions reach somewhat a concensus. Some are gimmees but many might be like apex and others that so many had opinions on. Some were grounded in perception and not facts.
post #11 of 18
Paul, You know I hate to take anything you say seriously, but since you brought up a serious topic, let me say............
This is a bigger undertaking than you may think, but the idea has merit and we will see who has time to look into it and more so, time to develop a glossary. If this is pursued, don't be surprised if you are called upon to help in the undertaking.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Paul, You know I hate to take anything you say seriously, but since you brought up a serious topic, let me say............
This is a bigger undertaking than you may think, but the idea has merit and we will see who has time to look into it and more so, time to develop a glossary. If this is pursued, don't be surprised if you are called upon to help in the undertaking.
Thank you TC,

The first step would be to post terminology, see if it is relevant according to members, and then work a different thread to 'tweek' the definition.

But it would be a large undertaking, larger than I first considered. Maybe the first step is to determine if it would be a good thing and a useful tool on Epic. Or, would it go unused.
post #13 of 18
Why not work out a deal with Bob? Make a subscribers area accessible based on a contribution that supports the site and Bob.

Or, just refer people to purchase Bob's book/pdf. As has been noted, it is quite an undertaking to compile ...that he already completed! It's a very good book - and only $10. I say support him and get a search-able pdf that is available - right now!
post #14 of 18
I concur with cgeib. Let's save ourselves the trouble and give support to him who has.
post #15 of 18
A glossary membership drive like PBS ?
A donorship drive to get a license to publish it. Like a magazine or newspaper might arrange?
How many issues -worth at 10 buck a head for the book would be necessary. How many would be enough to be worthwhile. 500 copies ? Less ? More ??
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by cgeib View Post
Or, just refer people to purchase Bob's book/pdf. As has been noted, it is quite an undertaking to compile ...that he already completed! It's a very good book - and only $10. I say support him and get a search-able pdf that is available - right now!
I need to buy the book. So, I think I'll start there, attempt to educate myself and then talk about what's appropriate here.

Promoting the book is a great idea. I had intended to buy it a while back, not knowing what the book is about (besides skiing ). I have always enjoyed Bob's explanations and the topics that he brings up.
post #17 of 18
Having a Glossary containing a common understanding of terms is a very good idea. Bob Barnes book is great and far more than just an encyclopedia or glossary- though it is certainly both of those.

It may be easier to figure out how it might be used here with fair consideration to Bob Barnes. It would certainly avoid considerable time (and sometimes contentiousness ) in trying to reinvent that which exists.

A common understanding of of terms would also eliminate a lot of time spent arguing over such things. It will help make the Instruction and Technique discussions more focused and easier to follow than they sometimes are with fewer detours caused by posters and readers trying to divine what another poster means.
post #18 of 18
Bah!
Instead of someone really making a glossary you all began to discuss the idea of the glossary!

Please come up with all the fancy words you know + an explanation then I will collect them all in one thread, which I will post later

Okay?
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