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post #1 of 17
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Recently, I got the idea of turning my friends hill (Quite big, and has the perfect angle) for the reason that going to the local hill is impossible sometimes (esp with school). He lives within walking distance, and we talked about it. I is wooded, but they are clearing some anyways for a gazebo that they are building this summer. His parents are fine with the idea, and if we decide to pull it off it would be long enough to run a 14-18 gate SL course with slightly closer gates for training purposes. I was searching online for gates, and have no idea what I need. I definatly want gates though, not the stuby things. That said, I am looking for something that would suit my needs that is fairly cheap. I know I don't need the crazy WC gates, but I don't want to go down as low as the fibre cable thingys.

Here are the links of what I found.

http://worldcupsupply.com/spm-gates.html

http://www.reliableracing.com/catego...ES/ACCESSORIES

Any suggestions? Thanks.
post #2 of 17
I don't really have any suggestions, but I have to say that it would be my dream to have a private ski hill, and if I did, I would not hesitate to get some gates on that thing! I think you should get some of the cheapest breakaways unless you think you wouldn't mind getting bamboo poles. But I say that if you're gonna be spending the money, spend it right! It also depends on your level a bit, but breakaways will never hurt anything except your wallet.

Good luck with the project. I'm pretty jealous!
post #3 of 17
I would think the biggest difficulty would be packing the snow down so it's hard enough to really set a course on. Then again, a few hours of bootpacking might be all you need to set up a course after fresh snow...

Go for it, sounds like a fun project. I wish I had a hill I could ski on in my back yard.
post #4 of 17
Clear the underbrush out of the wooded section and ski the natural gates.
post #5 of 17
why run gates on it? you're not going to be able to groom it anywhere near well enough to make it enjoyable to run gates on, and you need at least 8" of hardpack to set them in anyway- which is way more snow than it sounds like. I'd just ski it as is- your own private pow stash.
post #6 of 17
Or... get some rails/boxes. Or get a few bits of wood together...

Newschool baby!!

What Takecontrol618 said is actually a problem to consider... hardpack?

You could ski in the powder... but you would have to wait for it to build up first...

where do you live?
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
why run gates on it? you're not going to be able to groom it anywhere near well enough to make it enjoyable to run gates on, and you need at least 8" of hardpack to set them in anyway- which is way more snow than it sounds like. I'd just ski it as is- your own private pow stash.
We havethe grooming capabilities, and I was thinking about setting PVC piping in where the gates will go, like 2ft of it after we clear the land this summer. That way we would be able to pre-set the gates without a problem (simply screw in the pipe and go).

I live a 15 min drive away from Pats Peak, which is my week day mtn.
post #8 of 17
I learned to race on a similar hill. We cleared a slope and built a rope tow. Ski packing worked fine for grooming if everyone did a few laps of it.

We used saplings for gates. I would avoid that.

Reliable racing supply has always been, well, reliable.
post #9 of 17
I wonder if you could come up with something using 1" PVC pipe and a section of garage door spring (the extension type, not the torsion type).
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
We havethe grooming capabilities, and I was thinking about setting PVC piping in where the gates will go, like 2ft of it after we clear the land this summer.
Grade it, rake out the rocks down to 1" size and you can have a grass skiing slope.
http://www.bryceresort.com/s-activities.html#grassski

rake it out down to 1/2", get the grass established, and you can ski on frost.
post #11 of 17
It is surprising how little snow it takes to ski over a lawn-quality surface.
I still remember fondly a day many years ago skiing one inch of fresh over zero base on the old smooth slopes on Snowdon at Killington.
post #12 of 17
I'd want a fullface and DH MTB armor for this stuff:



Looks fun though.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Grade it, rake out the rocks down to 1" size and you can have a grass skiing slope.
http://www.bryceresort.com/s-activities.html#grassski

rake it out down to 1/2", get the grass established, and you can ski on frost.
No grass skiing, its in a wooded area. Wont be very good terrain for grass skiing.
post #14 of 17
Your idea for the PVC pipes to keep the required snow down is interesting, although I would run them flush with the dirt and set several gate setting possibilities. You're still going to need probably 6"+ of very packed base to make it work, as making running multiple times down the same, narrow route digs down to the dirt very fast.

- I own SPM and Break A Way gates, and I prefer the SPM construction better. Either way, you're going to be spending $35 or more a gate- which adds up. Adding a couple extra shafts to account for breakage adds even more cost. I like my stubbies as well, but you don't get that gate-bashing feel with them (although you generally ski through them). They're certainly cheaper. The shortest base most manufacturers make is around 10" (half of mine are short-bases for low snow conditions), but they don't hold as well when you run slalom. Your PVC solution might solve this problem somewhat.

At any rate, going with 20 gates puts you at about $700. Add $200 for an 18V 1/2" drive cordless drill, $100 for a drill bit, and another $50 for a gate wrench. Don't even get me started on timing... It isn't cheap. That's a lot of money to spend on a venue that may or may not be viable.

Bamboo is $75 for a bundle of 50, but they are less forgiving. University or club teams may have old gates that need repair that they would let go cheap, but they will often repair them to the point of being beyond economical repair.

Since you mentioned you have a week-day resort close by, you might look into the possibility of working out a training deal with a ski club, high school, or college team for grunt labor. If no team currently trains there, selling hillspace priviledges to ski area management may be a tougher sell, but it's not impossible. Without an existing club, you'd still have to come up with the gear and perhaps pay for hillspace, but at least you'd have a more suitable training venue.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
post #15 of 17
You might also post this in the Racing forum.
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by Alaska Mike View Post
Your idea for the PVC pipes to keep the required snow down is interesting, although I would run them flush with the dirt and set several gate setting possibilities. You're still going to need probably 6"+ of very packed base to make it work, as making running multiple times down the same, narrow route digs down to the dirt very fast.

- I own SPM and Break A Way gates, and I prefer the SPM construction better. Either way, you're going to be spending $35 or more a gate- which adds up. Adding a couple extra shafts to account for breakage adds even more cost. I like my stubbies as well, but you don't get that gate-bashing feel with them (although you generally ski through them). They're certainly cheaper. The shortest base most manufacturers make is around 10" (half of mine are short-bases for low snow conditions), but they don't hold as well when you run slalom. Your PVC solution might solve this problem somewhat.

At any rate, going with 20 gates puts you at about $700. Add $200 for an 18V 1/2" drive cordless drill, $100 for a drill bit, and another $50 for a gate wrench. Don't even get me started on timing... It isn't cheap. That's a lot of money to spend on a venue that may or may not be viable.

Bamboo is $75 for a bundle of 50, but they are less forgiving. University or club teams may have old gates that need repair that they would let go cheap, but they will often repair them to the point of being beyond economical repair.

Since you mentioned you have a week-day resort close by, you might look into the possibility of working out a training deal with a ski club, high school, or college team for grunt labor. If no team currently trains there, selling hillspace priviledges to ski area management may be a tougher sell, but it's not impossible. Without an existing club, you'd still have to come up with the gear and perhaps pay for hillspace, but at least you'd have a more suitable training venue.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
I just got back from my friends, looks like 16 gates possible. Also, teams train ALOT at my local mountain, but it is impossible to get there sometimes with schoolwork, rides, and stuff like that. Having something right around the corner would be really nice to have.
post #17 of 17
OK, so figure 18 gates to allow for breakage. Spring is always when the various companies put on their sales, taking a dollar or two off the price of each gate. Still a hefty chunk of change unless you can work a deal with one of the local teams for their old gear.

Your grooming (bootpacking) method and narrowly defined route may prove problematic- especially when melt-offs or periods of low snowfall keep you constantly working to keep snow on the course.

You're going to be using them for two or three years and then... What? It's not always easy to find a buyer for used gates- despite the situation you find yourself in. Most people just join a team or club. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything, just trying to point out some practical considerations before you lay out the cash.

Have fun.
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