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post #1 of 52
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All I can say is I hope that passer-by goes to jail...just disgusting. What a ridiculous wannabe - too much Hollywood for this yahoo.

Ski star's cousin kills cop, then gets killed

FRANCONIA, New Hampshire (AP) -- A cousin of skiing star Bode Miller fatally shot and ran over a police officer, then was killed by a passer-by who grabbed the officer's gun.
Liko Kenney shot Cpl. Bruce McKay four times and ran over him after a traffic stop Friday evening, state Attorney General Kelly Ayotte said. Gregory Floyd, who was driving by with his son, grabbed McKay's gun and shot Kenney when he refused to put his gun down, Ayotte said.
Kenney, 24, was convicted of assaulting McKay and resisting arrest in 2003. Ayotte had no other details of that previous incident between the men, and rejected suggestions the officer should have let someone else handle the traffic stop given his history with the driver.
Officials said McKay pulled Kenney over for speeding on Route 116. Kenney took off, and McKay pursued him for about 1½ miles before pulling in front of Kenney's car and pushing it off the road.
The officer used pepper spray on Kenney and his passenger and then turned around and was shot, Ayotte said Saturday at a news conference in Concord. Soon after, Floyd arrived and confronted Kenney while his son called for help using the officer's radio.
Authorities said Floyd was justified in shooting Kenney.
The McKay, 48, was a 12-year veteran of the Franconia Police Department.
"It really tears at the fabric of the community and the fabric of the state," said Gov. John Lynch, who visited the town of about 900 residents Saturday as people paid their respects and brought flowers to a police station.
Bode Miller's father, Woody Miller, said there was a history of animosity between the officer and his nephew.
"They had a long relationship," said Miller, who operates an international tennis camp in nearby Easton. "There's been physical altercations between them before in the course of being arrested."
Miller said Kenney, who lived next door to him, didn't have a steady job, but often took work cutting firewood and picking fiddlehead ferns, a wild green that grows in the region and is considered a delicacy.
Bode Miller, who once bailed his cousin out of jail, was on his way home to Franconia, his father said. Miller was in Park City, Utah, this week, meeting with officials of the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Association. At that meeting, the former Olympic medalist told officials he was cutting his ties with the U.S. team.
The shooting happened near this town in the White Mountain National Forest, popular with skiers and tourists who visited the Old Man of the Mountain, a rock formation and the state's symbol that crumbled into pieces four years ago.
post #2 of 52
I think he should get a medal.
post #3 of 52
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Originally Posted by JHrefugee View Post
I think he should get a medal.
Who, Floyd, for shootin Bode's second cousin?

Sounds like Bode's family's country folk.
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post #5 of 52
The passer-by did the most foolish thing he could have done..confront an obviously deranged person with a gun in the presence of his family. We used to say that the most effective person in any military is a person with a radio that knows how to use it. He saw what happened, had comms (cell phone I'm sure), and yet chose to put his own life and that of his son in danger? I'm trained to react to situations like this one, but would not if my family was around...probably would not even if they weren't.
post #6 of 52
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The passer-by did the most foolish thing he could have done..confront an obviously deranged person with a gun in the presence of his family. We used to say that the most effective person in any military is a person with a radio that knows how to use it. He saw what happened, had comms (cell phone I'm sure), and yet chose to put his own life and that of his son in danger? I'm trained to react to situations like this one, but would not if my family was around...probably would not even if they weren't.
He's forever now a hero. You are right, it was a dangerous move. But he stopped to help someone and I would imagine one thing led to the next. He probably misjudged the danger until it was too late. It sounds to me like he put himself at risk, not to mention his son. In a situation like that you do what you must, and no one will ever know exactly why he wound up having to shoot the guy. Although he's lucky to be alive, according to the outcome, he did the right thing.
post #7 of 52
This is a cousin, not Bode Miller himself. It has nothing to do with skiing. Maybe someone should start a Anna Nicole Smith or Paris Hilton thread in the General Skiing Forum.:

Nevertheless, if people feel compelled to comment then this thread should be moved to the Supporters Lounge.
post #8 of 52
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Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
This is a cousin, not Bode Miller himself. It has nothing to do with skiing. Maybe someone should start a Anna Nicole Smith or Paris Hilton thread in the General Skiing Forum.:

Nevertheless, if people feel compelled to comment then this thread should be moved to the Supporters Lounge.
Oh come 'on! The snow is melting, what else do we have to do but gossip about the derainged?
post #9 of 52
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This is a cousin, not Bode Miller himself. It has nothing to do with skiing.
Nevertheless, if people feel compelled to comment then this thread should be moved to the Supporters Lounge.
When Ski star's cousin kills cop, then gets killed is the CNN headline, then yes it has something to do with skiing. Sorry, I agree that it isn't the bestest of subjects, but there is a skiing relationship.
post #10 of 52
So CNN is now the arbiter of what is skiing related?

Paris Hilton herself skis and is a celebrity (and maybe her cousin skis too, for all I know.) http://defamer.com/hollywood/sundanc...nce-150470.php http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070508/...e_paris_hilton

The fact is that Bode Miller's cousin's actions have nothing to do with skiing or Bode Miller other than by accident of birth.
post #11 of 52
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The fact is that Bode Miller's cousin's actions have nothing to do with skiing or Bode Miller other than by accident of birth.
That, and other important connections, like taking time off from training and partying to bail him out:


"Bode Miller, who once bailed his cousin out of jail, was on his way home to Franconia, his father said. Miller was in Park City, Utah, this week, meeting with officials of the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Association. At that meeting, the former Olympic medalist told officials he was cutting his ties with the U.S. team. Miller said Kenney, who lived next door to him, didn't have a steady job, but often took work cutting firewood and picking fiddlehead ferns, a wild green that grows in the region and is considered a delicacy."

(Not from CNN)
post #12 of 52
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He's forever now a hero. You are right, it was a dangerous move. But he stopped to help someone and I would imagine one thing led to the next. He probably misjudged the danger until it was too late. It sounds to me like he put himself at risk, not to mention his son. In a situation like that you do what you must, and no one will ever know exactly why he wound up having to shoot the guy. Although he's lucky to be alive, according to the outcome, he did the right thing.
You're confusing "hero" with "reckless vigilante".

You admit he "misjudged the danger", don't you think he could just as easily have misjudged the situation and killed a man who present but innocent? How was he qualified to pass judgment on the scene?

"In a situation like that you have to do what you must..."
No. In a situation like that you have to do things according to the law. He didn't.
post #13 of 52
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Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
So CNN is now the arbiter of what is skiing related?

Paris Hilton herself skis and is a celebrity (and maybe her cousin skis too, for all I know.) http://defamer.com/hollywood/sundanc...nce-150470.php http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070508/...e_paris_hilton

The fact is that Bode Miller's cousin's actions have nothing to do with skiing or Bode Miller other than by accident of birth.
Don't bother linking any photos of Paris H. unless she's naked. On second thought, just don't bother.
post #14 of 52
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You're confusing "hero" with "reckless vigilante".

You admit he "misjudged the danger", don't you think he could just as easily have misjudged the situation and killed a man who present but innocent? How was he qualified to pass judgment on the scene?

"In a situation like that you have to do what you must..."
No. In a situation like that you have to do things according to the law. He didn't.
He stopped to help a cop who was "down". That to me is a good samaritan. He did what needed to be done and then was threatened with deadly force.
post #15 of 52
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I think he should get a medal.
Agreed. He saved a lot of time and expense and justice was done.

Only occasionally do we get a good news story like this in the UK.
These two herberts below got what they deserved, although the pub was probably full of wrong 'uns as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6549873.stm

In the old days, you could be hung for stealing a sheep. Reinstating a mandatory death penalty for murder would be a welcome move. Drug dealers could also be executed(Singapore justice) and sex offenders too.

It would save the country money and do wonders for the gene pool.
post #16 of 52
Didn't I see this plot line on "Deadwood" last season?

As far as the bystander:
- Foolish? Probably. He certainly didn't display the same concern for his own personal safety that I think I would've in the situation.
- Evil? Nope.

As for whether he was "heroic" or not, I couldn't say. Showing a due regard for one's own personal safety has never exactly been considered a qualification for heroism.
post #17 of 52
Relationship to Bode:

"In 2005, Bode Miller was fined $250 for going 83 mph in a 40 mph zone in his hometown of Franconia. According to an article published on Sports Illustrated's Web site, SI.com, Miller said he chose to contest the ticket 'to try to get my fine reduced and to antagonize [the police officer his cousin later killed].'"
post #18 of 52
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Relationship to Bode:

" Miller said he chose to contest the ticket 'to try to get my fine reduced and to antagonize [the police officer his cousin later killed].'"
Nothing wrong with going to court for a trafic violation. And small town cops can get a little too caught up in minor leagal stuff. Things that happen all the time in a city seem more serious in smaller settings. I can see how the Miller's could have felt ostracized, may be felt that the law was too heavy handed.

Remember Arlo?

Not suggesting in anyway that there was or is justification. I guess it would be helpful to know the track record of the cousin.
post #19 of 52
This event will ruin a lot a lives. I assume the Police officer was a family man. The Bode family will be hated by many in their own home town. The victims are not limited to the ones who were killed, but also the living.

Much has been destroyed here.

Michael
post #20 of 52
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No. In a situation like that you have to do things according to the law. He didn't.
A citizen of this country has the right and sometimes the duty to do what they must to stop the commission of a felony. What exactly should he go to jail for? Exterminating vermin?

I for one am glad there are still men in this world. You cannot include yourself among them.
post #21 of 52
He just puts on his rainbow glasses and pretends that all is well in the world.

Funny, but down in Texas where he's from, they would probably name a street after Floyd.

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post #22 of 52
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We used to say that the most effective person in any military is a person with a radio that knows how to use it.
The guy was an ex-marine.

Apparently, he tried to block Bode's cousin from the fallen police officer in order to come to his aid, and the cousin wouldn't lower his gun.

Hard to say what would be the best thing to do in the situation. Witness the shooting and just drive away? Hmm, didn't I see that in "Fargo"? Okay, sure it's fiction, but I don't remember saying, "That could never happen!"
post #23 of 52
Perhaps if someone had acted like this hero in Virginia, there wouldn't have been 32 dead students.

Sometimes a good vigilante is what's needed. The cops aren't always going to be there to save you. However tragic, Bode's cousin deserved what he got. I feel for his family. Very tragic.
post #24 of 52
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Sometimes a good vigilante is what's needed.
I see him as a good samaritan, not a vigilante. Sometimes you have to step up.
post #25 of 52
All small towns have drunken loser petty troublemakers and criminals. The local cops have known them intimately since high school. Often, they aren't on friendly terms. Drunken local losers don't have the right to shoot a police officer regardless of how many times they've been arrested by that officer in the past.

If I saw a cop lying on the road bleeding, I wouldn't just drive by- would you?
Exactly what happened next, we don't know. What they didn't find was a dead cop and two dead witnesses shot by persons unknown.
The cops said the second shooting was justified. The guy was a trained ex- marine. Get over it.
From my observation, the main difference between Bode and his cousin is marginally better judgement and skiing ability.

I had a buddy who was a MLB prodigy. Big fame, big money. Booze and drugs took him anyway. They put him in the ground at 32.
post #26 of 52
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab View Post
All small towns have drunken loser petty troublemakers and criminals.
Small towns also have loser petty power hungry cops that hassle people illegally.
post #27 of 52
Power hungry? Speeding and a questionable registration aren't cause for a stop?

How the hell is that an "illegal hassle"?

Register your car and stay within a reasonable speed ... too much to ask?

Was Bode's 83 in a 40 an "illegal hassle" .... nice 60's lingo ..

Or am I "hasseling you man" ... ? :
post #28 of 52
If only... the ex marine had used his phone instead. Ya Right.... The cop had deferred to another officer to exicute the stop , Sure.....

It's small town NH, you don't call in someone else, you probably don't have good cell coverage, and you don't pass by someone in need. The guy did his best, and deserves respect for stepping up, more than once.

Oh, and to help justify keeping this thread here. If only Body had delivered. Statistically he ruined it for elite hopefuls. They only show up , what every generation, he seamed to be the real deal.....speaking of deal, he did make sure to get paid before he left the building.
post #29 of 52
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Power hungry? Speeding and a questionable registration aren't cause for a stop?
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You dont know he was speeding. There was a long standing feud here between these two guys. All we know is that this cop pulled him over. We also know that as had been agreed to due to the officers previous interactions with Kenney that Kenney had a right to have another cop present. We also know that he then for some reason after requesting that other cops be present that he fled the scene. He was then forced off the road and maced. The cop knew who he was and knew where he lived. There was no reason to elevate to that level given the offense and it made no sense given the history between them. It is clear that Kenney feared for his life and took action. Read the local papers and you'll get a clearer picture of he people involved.

I hate to burst your buble. But many police officers lie, cheat steal and engage in all manner of criminal activity
post #30 of 52
Duh! I did get it all from the "local papers", the Union Leader has been doing a nice job of covering it ... and ... yes, I do know who William Loeb is.

Kenny was yer' basic back woods got nuthin better to do run of the mill wack job. I think you better read the history of Mr. Kenny; I especially loved the part where he was called by his own uncle to report him for trespassing while in possession of a blow dart gun, while he was out on probation instead of doing jail time. The reason he wasn't in jail? McKay requested that the judge go easy on him. Probably in retrospect, this was not a good move on McKay's part because a little time in the slam may have cleared his head.

Floyd also sounds like another odd sort with a long history of threats on officers and arrests. Frankly, I take back my support of Floyd. It sounds like he was reacting to "a target of opportunity", than reacting to support a downed officer.
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