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Narrow AT Scarpa boots for my foot, what is there to be done?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I was out testing my new AT gear for over a week ago, and it, if at all possible, exceeded my expectations. Great!

But there was one thing bothering me, in fact, almost tormenting my foot. On a limited part of the Scarpa (Matrix) boot, it was extremely narrow. Painful to walk with. I have tried to localize the area, marked by the red in the two pics under.
I don't really know, but it occurs to me that it is the shell of the boot that is narrow, even though I know everyone says one needs to fit the inner boot before it really gets good to walk with... What can I do about this?



post #2 of 17
You haven't molded the thermoflex liner yet?

WHY?

...just do that, it will make a huge difference. Start with that, don't do anything else until this is done, don't ask anymore questions until this is done, don't ski in the boot again until this is done. Stop thinking about anything else.

Heat the damn liners already.
post #3 of 17
Heat molding the liner is a good start, but if the problem is still there, that part of the boot is often ground or punched (depending on the thickness of the plastic). Any good boot-fitter can help you make small adjustments, and the cost won't be very high. You may even find a small wedge at the heel lifts your foot to a position it has more room at the bottom of the instep. I have felt the squeeze there before, and it feels painful, but doesn't leave a mark.
post #4 of 17
What Whiteroom said....mould the liners before you do anything. I have those liners in my Scarpa Tornados. They went from so-so to a fabulous fit, the only boot I haven't had to do work on the shell.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tips guys. Will definitely try the molding first, and see if there is possible to perform any of the tricks Cirquerider suggested.
post #6 of 17

Molding Liners

For your purposes and general consumption, here's one description of home liner molding of Scarpa Spirits posted on Wildsnow.com. I love how well my T2Xs & Tornado Pro fit after moulding.

HTH
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks!
post #8 of 17
+1 for molding the liners. Have a good shop do it for you. Around here its poosible that a 12 pack will pay for it. Also, if you don't have good insoles, consider getting them. I have Spirit 3s and I molded them with my Surefoot custom insoles. They fit my feet very comfortably (I was looking for comfort since I'm going to be walking a lot in them and both skiing and boarding in them).

Enjoy the cool boots.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
I thought I had put up the results on here, but apparently not.. Anyway, I molded the inner lines, but it wasn't enough. Still the highly uncomfortable squeeze.. So I took it to a sports-store, and they heated the shell and expanded it a bit. Much better. So now you know.
post #10 of 17
torhaa,

It sounds like you have happy feet now! Good for you.

I thought I would add one more thing that I often do if a person's foot is not to wide and I want to use a interem step before I determine that I should stretch the shell.

I do a lot of custom foam liners in alpine boots so I have a lot of extra pads that we use on the foot before I foam. Anyway, I will sometimes put a piece of the foam on the area of the foot under the sock and then do the thermo molding. Of course after the molding process I will take the pad off. The pad adds a little more volume to that area of the foot while molding and can - not always - make it so you do not have to stretch the shell.
post #11 of 17
shoulda tried garmonts

as far as AT/tele goes, most people fit into two camps. Either Garmont or Scarpa. A tiny few are a Crispi fit. Basically if you have a wide foot, you're a Garmont boot, if narrow foot, a Scarpa.

Glad it ended up working out, but if Scarpa's were too narrow, you probably should have tried on a Garmont instead of changing the shape of your shell.

btw, why matrix? dynafit compatable? Garmont megarides, pretty light, good rockered soul, 4 buckle, dynafit compatable.
post #12 of 17
Actually, I have an extremely narrow foot, and I found the Garmont Megarides to have the closest approximation to my shape out of the available lighter AT boots. Perhaps their tele boots fit differently. I used to have Scarpa Denalis, which were dramatically wider than the Garmonts. I'd be surprised if anyone with a wider foot found the Garmont to be a good match based on how they fit me. Dynafit AT boots also tend to run wider and higher volume.
post #13 of 17
Splitter - as far as AT goes, I think you've got it backwards. G-rides and Megarides are much narrower and lower volume than every Scarpa AT boot. It seems to be reverse in Tele boots.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wilcox510 View Post
Splitter - as far as AT goes, I think you've got it backwards. G-rides and Megarides are much narrower and lower volume than every Scarpa AT boot. It seems to be reverse in Tele boots.
That is my impression too. I have done quite a lot of reading on this, and I could conclude that for telemark, Scarpas are narrow and Garmonts are wide, and vice versa for randonnée. Perhaps both producers have just thought they want to cover the whole market..
Anyway, I was surprised that even the Scarpa's didn't quite match my foot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strolz_Boot_Guy View Post
I do a lot of custom foam liners in alpine boots so I have a lot of extra pads that we use on the foot before I foam. Anyway, I will sometimes put a piece of the foam on the area of the foot under the sock and then do the thermo molding. Of course after the molding process I will take the pad off. The pad adds a little more volume to that area of the foot while molding and can - not always - make it so you do not have to stretch the shell.
Thanks. Actually, the sports-store I have in my town is very good at this stuff, they have a lot of experience on the field, and as far as I gather they are renowned in Norway for this.
They did also make the same approach as you describe. That was quite painful with the extremely small fit and the heat while the inner liners were being worked on, but better doing that before going out in the mountains I guess.. Anyway, I tried it afterwards, and while I found it was slightly better, it still had a lot to go. Not comfortable at all after a little while.
So I headed back to the shop, and they suggested stretching the shell, and now it's great. Very reasonable priced too.
post #15 of 17
Scarpas have that annoying sway-bottomed boot shell, which causes the Instep Squeeze of Death (tm). The also have so much volume above the foot that most people are swimming in them.

Solution: foot boards. I thought I just didn't have a Scarpa foot, but after adding quite a bit of thickness under the foot, they actually come out pretty well.
post #16 of 17
Try a pair of Garmonts. They fit my foot better. I have a fairly wide and high volume foot, Scarpas hurt me too. The liner molding and a shell punch can also help if you already own the Scarpas. I also never ski without a custom footbed.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
The liner molding and a shell punch can also help if you already own the Scarpas.
Yeah, I've did those two things, and it fits great now. (The boots needed shell extending though).
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