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Marker junior race bindings - opinions?

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Question about the Marker junior race bindings called m1000 race comp jr. or something like that (the 10-DIN red one, like this: http://www.untracked.com/p487c79b54-...in dings.html)

Seems like there's a substantial number of skiers who don't like Marker bindings. (I guess I'm in that group having prereleased on Marker demos and seen others prerelease on Marker free 1200 titaniums, all of us set DIN as type II.) And then there's people who swear by Marker's race bindings as performing better than the regular consumer models.

So the question is where the junior race bindings fall on that spectrum. Would appreciate any insight based on how they're built, or just anecdotal. And also, how big or old a kid you'd put on these. Mine are on the lightweight side and nowhere near a 10 DIN.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by ts01 View Post
And then there's people who swear by Marker's race bindings as performing better than the regular consumer models.
I'm unfamiliar with the junior line, but the reason people trust the race models over the plastic consumer stuff is because the 18.0, 20.0, and 30.0 do not have the Biometric toe, which is what people don't like about the bindings. What the biometric function actually is is a cam in the toe that multiplies upward force on the toe so that it takes far less force to release upward than to release to the side. This cam is absent in the stock bindings, which are also all-metal.

I haven't pre-released from my 14.0's yet (which have the biometric toe) , so no complaints here. Probably helps that they are set to 12.
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I would think your kids would be fine on most any binding. They will be light enough that pre-release will be a non-issue. $170 for junior bindings is nuts though, you can do better. Hell, PX12s are 97 on SAC and 110 on backcountry outlet.
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
I would think your kids would be fine on most any binding. They will be light enough that pre-release will be a non-issue. $170 for junior bindings is nuts though, you can do better.
Thanks for the toe info.

You're right about the price on those, that was just to illustrate, not to purchase. We've got these on some older skis they used when they were younger and my issue is whether to mount them on new skis or trade them away with the old ones.

About the pre-release and weight issue, actually it was my son who prereleased from the Marker 1200 titanium free. I watched it happen and there was nothing going on that could justify a release, no twisting, catching, or anything, he was just going fast through some crud. Maybe it's time to set type III DIN but I'd prefer running type II on reliable equipment.
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... the reason people trust the race models over the plastic consumer stuff is because the 18.0, 20.0, and 30.0 do not have the Biometric toe, which is what people don't like about the bindings. What the biometric function actually is is a cam in the toe that multiplies upward force on the toe so that it takes far less force to release upward than to release to the side. This cam is absent in the stock bindings, which are also all-metal.
So does anyone know which toe is on the junior race model? The marketing blurb says its got "Exclusive Marker technologies like our Integrated Gliding AFD, Biotech, Contact Control ... "

"Biotech" = "Biometric"???
post #5 of 8
Even though my last binding failure was a Marker, I would use them again. Most manufacturers make a pretty decent product.

For kids, I would look at how much adjustability the binding has. Look P-10 didn't have much, but the new PX is much greater. It's nice not having to remount every year.
post #6 of 8
If the remount question is an issue, think about the Tyrolia Railflex system. REI has DIN 11 Railflexes on sale for $90.
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The difference between biometric and boitech is the upward release function. As DD223 said, the biometric toe is a cam assisted upward release used on the upper end Marker consumer bindings, the biotech is what gave marker it's 'bad name', the upward release setting is independent of the DIN setting so someone skiing at a DIN of 4 is set the same as someone skiing at a DIN of 9 as far as upward release is concerned...not fun.

The Comp1000jr also has a two peice heel instead of the three peice heels found on Markers upper end bindings. These have absolutely no elastic travel, they are designed for release not for retention.

This is not a bad binding for light kids and very recreational skiers, for more agressive skiers it is an ejector seat.
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thank you Whiteroom! Goodbye, Markers.

Alpinedad - thanks for the suggestion. I know nothing about the Tyrolia line, is that a good binding? If I understand the railflex right, the benefit is we can adjust to different boot sole lengths and also fore/aft position w/o redrilling, like a demo binding but w/o the added weight? Nice feature for growing kids, especially if it will keep them in the ski (unlike the Markers).
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