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How do I cross the finnish line the right way?

post #1 of 18
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Hi, here is a photo of me passing the finnishing line in our local club championships. In this race I came third of 20 and with some margine but in the two following races I lost and won by only 0.02! Any tactics I can resort to?

http://ski.topeverything.com/default...nt&ID=A8F066B4
post #2 of 18
I would think that you should be more tucked, that would probably make up that difference in time.
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
I would think that you should be more tucked, that would probably make up that difference in time.
I'm guessing this was a slalom (note the shingards) - there may not have been a good opportunity to get into a tuck. But if there was, that advice is good.

It is tempting to try to make improvements at the finish; after all, that is your last chance! However, I'll bet there is much more opportunity to gain hundredths at the start, by a cleaner carving, base prep/waxing, etc.
post #4 of 18
Reach forward with your hand as far as possible without landing on your face - reach for your tips and time an upward sweep of the hand to trip the timing light.

When inspecting, determine where you'll cross the finish line, check out the height of the finish "eyes" at that location and determine how high you'll need your hand to be when reaching forward.
post #5 of 18

I vote for...

...the Anja Paerson Belly Flop. Seriously, in SL, about all you can do is raise a ski tip or throw the tip of one of your poles forward...at the finish, you've either won or lost based on what you did up above...
post #6 of 18
If you want expertise on the "Finnish" line, I think you're going to have to supply it to us, since I think you're the only Finn here.

On the "finish" line, I agree with the others:

- Tuck if you get a chance (and you're moving at any speed). That's often or usually true in GS and rarely in SL. The picture looks like a slalom, though the label says GS, so who knows.

- I suppose you could skate if you're going that slowly, but I don't think I've been on a course that finished that slow in a long time.

- Personally, I don't bother with trying to kick my ski tip up, or to lean way forward to break the beam with a hand. Some people do. If you're finishing within .02 of people, I guess it makes more sense. Personally, I'm more concerned about not crashing in a highly ignoble and anticlimatic manner.

- My only cleverly original input: in the photo, you definitly seem to be turning. Courses typically don't require any turn at all at the finish in order to get through the finish gate (actually, the rules say they're not supposed to). Most likely, the course in the picture was just set funny, so you had to come across the hill from the last gate to the finish. But sometimes people turn through the finish when they don't have to.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post
If you want expertise on the "Finnish" line, I think you're going to have to supply it to us, since I think you're the only Finn here.

On the "finish" line, I agree with the others:

- Tuck if you get a chance (and you're moving at any speed). That's often or usually true in GS and rarely in SL. The picture looks like a slalom, though the label says GS, so who knows.

- I suppose you could skate if you're going that slowly, but I don't think I've been on a course that finished that slow in a long time.

- Personally, I don't bother with trying to kick my ski tip up, or to lean way forward to break the beam with a hand. Some people do. If you're finishing within .02 of people, I guess it makes more sense. Personally, I'm more concerned about not crashing in a highly ignoble and anticlimatic manner.

- My only cleverly original input: in the photo, you definitly seem to be turning. Courses typically don't require any turn at all at the finish in order to get through the finish gate (actually, the rules say they're not supposed to). Most likely, the course in the picture was just set funny, so you had to come across the hill from the last gate to the finish. But sometimes people turn through the finish when they don't have to.
Thanks guys for great input. Lots of sharp observations like Im wearing shin guards and turning at the end. Earlier this season I misstakenly thaught we were going to have SL practise but it turned out to be GS. Swapped skis but left the shin guards on. During that session I had a serious accident when a ski came off and cut a deep cut into the shin guard at the right knee I just had fixed for 3000usd. Been using them ever since also in GS. You are also perfectly right about why Im turning at the end. The course was set so snuggly that half of the guys crashed at the end.

I think swinging the ski pole sounds like the best option but maybe not in GS. In SL the speeds are much slower but on the other hand, the margines are smaller in GS. Scating is not really an option but staying in a tuck makes sence. Maybe GS ski poles would help me get into a tuck as well.
post #8 of 18
Your skis are on edge and it looks like you are turning through the finish line. On most courses, when you get to the last few gates, it is best to stay in a tuck and let the skis run. If the last gate lines up with the finish, you shouldn't even turn. It doesn't matter how your line is at the end of a race; there are no more gates after you cross the finish.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
Your skis are on edge and it looks like you are turning through the finish line. On most courses, when you get to the last few gates, it is best to stay in a tuck and let the skis run. If the last gate lines up with the finish, you shouldn't even turn. It doesn't matter how your line is at the end of a race; there are no more gates after you cross the finish.
The finish area was actually very tight with space for braking to the left of the goal gate. One guy that didnt manage to carve past that goal gate whent through the fence and ended up on his back in sand and mud. Whats that WC DH race where they have to turn left at the goal? Wengen? Sort of like that.
post #10 of 18
Are you looking at the last few gates during inspection to check the short and straight line?

Are you unconciously "aiming" toward the center of the finish when the shortest line may be to the right or left?

Go out on a relatively flat smooth area and practice getting the feel of running a flat ski ... no edging ... it will feel squirmy and wiggly and .... this is good!
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
. I think swinging the ski pole sounds like the best option but maybe not in GS.
A ski pole will not break the light beam.
post #12 of 18
Killy used to sit down almost and "jet" his boots across the finish to break the beam .... not to be confused with his "jet turn" (avalement), where he sat back also.

If indeed it is the Finnish Line .... Passport and Visa?
post #13 of 18
[quote=Yuki;704706]Killy used to sit down almost and "jet" his boots across the finish to break the beam .... QUOTE]

...a recipie for disaster for most of us mere mortals. :

Reaching out with a glove to break the beam can easily make one prone to catching an edge...not worth it, in my opinion. I have by far my worst crashes in the fin(n)ish area as it is. : :
post #14 of 18
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A ski pole will not break the light beam.
Really??? I didnt know that. And for me to try to brake the beam with my hand is like asking for a face plant.

Yuki, finnish and finish keeps getting messed up in my writing. Sorry for that. I dont know why that is so darn hard to remember. It makes no sence to me, Finland and Finnish. Or should that be finnish?
post #15 of 18
Ah! There lies the crux of the doughnut or donut as you prefer! You fail to understand the culture of Finland and it's incorporated indigenous heritage .... the country's foundations in the Finno-Ugric national language, Finnish.

But then any differences in this culture and it's roots in early paganism are due to Finno-Ugric and Balto-Finnic culture.

Now, that all sounds pretty up tight and stuff but remember that this rigidity (stoic Nordic traditions), must be tempered by the pagan beliefs in sielulintu .... which translates as "soul-bird", meaning they may have been the first to get down and get funky.

I'm glad we cleared this up!
post #16 of 18
Tdk6 doing the funky chicken across the finish line? Doesn't sound like a winning tactic to me, but I'll try anything.

Tdk6-
You know as a Masters racer you have license to resort to all sorts of dirty tricks to win. Age and treachery trumps youth and technique any day.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
Whats that WC DH race where they have to turn left at the goal? Wengen?
Yes. Or if you're Bode and you've nailed the S-bends, you just try to "lay it down safely"
post #18 of 18

i don't know the right way but...

.....I do know the wrong way as demonstrated at last years Masters Nationals GS at Sunday River

1 Approach final gate carrying good speed thinking to self "that was one of my better runs, didn't think i was going to get away with that on a couple of gates
2 proceed to have massive brain fart
3 Park both skis neatly at final gate
4 Eject self from both skis
5 Thow self through air in direction of finish line while performing a half somersault
6 Break finish beam while still travelling upside down 2-3 feet from ground
7 perform a 3 bounce landing in the finish corral
8 Count limbs, curse loudly and think wtf :

Oh, and to add insult, the person shooting video switched off teh camera at the second last gate
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