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Groomer zoomer needs ski advice for next season

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I must say this is an awesome site...
Now down to the nitty gritty...
I live in Colorado, my wife and I ski Mary Jane, Loveland, Vail...will get up to Keystone and Copper next year...
Ski about 10-15 days a season…more if I could…
I currently ski Head im72, 170cm length...
I love these skis...they make me a much better skier than I ever was with my old straight skis...
I am looking for a ski that I can use when I go skiing during the weekdays, when it’s just my wife and myself...
I am looking for a quicker turning ski, a real carver, because I am now addicted to carving....
The shaped skis are just a blast to ski on, I was amazed how fast I adapted to the new style...
When my wife and myself go skiing during the weekday, we ski a ton of runs, no crowds, just go up the lift and basically ski down, maybe stop once, then go back up the mountain...
We probably get 20 - 30 runs in during the day, depending on the length of the run...
We stick to the groomed blues and blacks, don't care for the moguls, at least not at this time...most of the time we are on packed powder, I know we are spoiled…we don’t have to deal with the frozen crud very much, at least until spring skiing has arrived…
I went up with my neighbor, who is an instructor at Keystone, he is a PSIA level 2...
I asked him to give me some feedback...surely I was doing more wrong than right...He told me I was carving really nice turns, I was turning with my feet, had good balance, the only thing he told me was to get my hands up more and in front more...He told me I was a solid 6/7 level skier...I thing it’s the new shaped skis…
I am over 225, strong legs, apparently fairly aggressive, I did not think so, but when I ski I come to ski, not hang out on the mountain..go up and ski down and carve, carve and carve some more...
The skis that I thought would meet the criteria I am looking for were…

I subscribe to Realskiers.com….

Probably need to stay around the 165-170 length…

Any advice is greatly appreciated…

Elan Speedwave 12…too much ski maybe…?
Elan Magfire 10…
Dynastar contact 9…
Dynastar contact 11…
Head XRC 1400 chip…
Head Supershape…..I know this is way too much but who knows…?
post #2 of 20
whats wrong with your Head IM72? should be a fine groomer ski.

With that said if you like that ski that much why not get on some 170cm Head SS. You like your heads get something just like it that turns more and is quicker edge to edge. Not my favorite(Elan ripstix would be) but dont like the way heads feel ever though they ski great.
post #3 of 20
You may also want to throw in the Fischer RX9. When I need my carving fix I break out my race skis (Fischers & Nordicas) but I have skied the RX9 and was blown away. Also, since you are heavier and stronger you'll probably like the Fischers which tend to be beefier. I've also been really impressed with Dynastar's old skicross line of skis...I think the Contact series is the same ski just renamed. I haven't been on non-race level Heads or Elans...but I think you've got a pretty solid list. FYI - Colorado Ski & Golf has a early season demo day at Loveland every year, so you may want to check that out (usually November).
post #4 of 20
What is your height? If you are over 225lb then your skis are probably too short, and you would benefit from going longer and gaining some stability. This will give you something to grow into and up your speed and control at the same time.

I would stick with the iM72 -- it's more of a carver than a couple of the skis you listed. For ultimate carving, you can't go wrong trying out the Fischer RX-8 or a similar ski. The Fisher website has a product advisor that can recommend a length based on your height and skill level.
post #5 of 20
I don't think a super-shape is out of the question. Try it; you might like it.
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 
I am looking forward to the demo session at Loveland in november...
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
Have you skied the Supershape...
I really like what i have read in the reviews of the supershape...
In 2008 the supershape is supposed to be equipped with the chip technology, and is supposed to be a really smooth and powerful ski...it is on the short list but I did not know if it was too much ski for my skill level...but based on what I am reading and the fact I don’t want to even try to take it off the groomed runs, and what my ski instructor neighbor told me ...I just might have to find out where I can demo one of those next season...
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
Something that turns more and is quicker edge to edge is exactly what I am looking for...
I am very happy with the im72, but have become quite hooked on carving...its simply a blast...
post #9 of 20
I would stick with the non-chip version. The sandwich construction is what makes that ski so well-liked.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by rspacher View Post
Something that turns more and is quicker edge to edge is exactly what I am looking for...
I am very happy with the im72, but have become quite hooked on carving...its simply a blast...
Then go with as narrow a waist as you can find (64-66mm), coupled with a healthy sidecut. The narrow waist will make the skis easier to edge, and the sidecut will result in a shorter turn radius which makes the skis quicker edge to edge. The combination makes for a very zippy ski, but brings tradeoffs on non-groomed or soft snow. If you want to play your A-game on groomers and not worry about anything else, the narrow-waist/deep-sidecut combination is exactly what you're looking for. Generally size them 5-15cm below your height; at your weight probably stick to the 5-10cm range.
post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
That is the direction i am leaning to...
I just don't want to go too far and end up with something i can't ski on...
In other words, i end up getting a ski way above my ability and end up not using them and they turn into dust collectors...
The general opinion i read is at my weight and strength, i would be able to use a pretty stiff ski, especially around the 165-170 length...
I look forward to the demo session in November that one of the ski shops puts on ..
Hopefully they will have some skis in the carving segment...
post #12 of 20
Given your size, agressiveness and ability, I think a Supershape in a 170 would probably suit you very well. It's a ski with a lot of power, but as long as you have a decent carving ability, you'll be able to manage it no problem. You'll want the standard Supershape, not the Speed, Magnum or Chip version - the Speed and Magnum (havent skied the Chip, but it's similar to the Magnum) are less forgiving and stiffer. Awesome skis, but might be a touch over your head, whereas the Supershape should be manageable now, with lots of room to grow on.
post #13 of 20
Take a look at the SX 12 from Atomic. I am blow away with it.
post #14 of 20
Take a look at the SX 12 from Atomic. I am blown away by it.
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks...
I was looking at that exact setup...Head Supershape in 170cm...
I will have to go to the demo session at loveland this coming November to see if they have any Supershapes to demo...
Now i just have to wait until next season...
post #16 of 20
I suggest narrow waist with big hips
post #17 of 20
Don't overlook some of the newer 2008 carving skis. The Head Supershape Magnum in a 170cm might be perfect. Also the Dynastar Contact 11 & Fischer Progressor. All of these are great Groomer Zoomers while capable of softer snow utility also.

Cheers,

michael
post #18 of 20
At your size and ability, the Head SS in 170 for sure, and you might consider a Volkl Allstar in 168. This past year's SS's are hard to find, while Allstars can be had for great prices right now. They'll be more versatile than the SS's, just as good a carver although longer turn radius, and will handle your weight as well or better. Not completely in agreement about the Contact 11 or Head 1400, cuz they're less of a dedicated carver than you appear to want, more like beefier versions of your iM72's; have heard many good things about Elan Speedwave 12's, and the rest will be too floppy for you unless you go well longer than 170.
post #19 of 20
Head iSuperShape (standard version).
post #20 of 20
Very late to this party, but I offer an alternative. I skied for 3 years on Fischer Sceneo 400 (118,68,100) & loved em. Then I was given a pair of new IM72's (116,72,101) with railflex bindings and am enjoying those too. I fancy that if I really push down on them I can can a shorter radius turn out of the im72's than I can the Fischers even though the supposed radius for the im72's (14m - I'm on 163's) is greater than the Fischers (13m), which I postulate might be down to the bindings (thats' supposed to be the point of them after all)

So my suggestion is this, if you have got the gear fever and really need to get a new pair (but as others have said I'm not sure whay you would need to) think seriously about sticking with railflex bindings.
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