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U.S. Anti-doping agency, and some Dotsie

post #1 of 18
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i caught an interview with Dotsie Cowden awhile back and was motivated to finally get my lardass back on the bike, the road and in the pool. i'm new again.

here's a little anecdote from her blog, relating to being tested by the USADA, as well as some thoughts on the Landis episode.

post #2 of 18
The Landis episode stinks all around. He failed his second test but there were no witnesses to the test because the USADA didn't send a representative and the French wouldn't let Landis's scientific representative watch the tests without a USADA representative. Ergo, Landis gets to claim the tests were stages and the French help strengthen his claim by not allowing him access to the tests without any good argument on why. Personally, I'm losing interest in the Tour de France over all this; both the cheating cyclists and the unprofessional way the French have been running the tests and leaking information.
post #3 of 18
She's fun to read, thanks!

I'm starting to view this in a way-long-term technological light:

Our athletics testing is funding the development of 2050 model iTESTs for the civilian population.
post #4 of 18
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sorry, i'm a broken record


a much fuller story in today's Los Angeles Daily Journal but you have to subscribe (not free) to read the link.

It will be the first time a U.S. Anti-Doping Agency arbitration has been open to the public, and, according to the Journal, will be televised live (though they do not indicate who'll be broadcasting it).

According to Maurice Suh, one of Floyd's attorneys, "it's our tax dollars that fund the USADA and I think the way it has pursued its agenda is inconsistent with fundamental fairness as it applies to our legal system. It is a rogue agency."
post #5 of 18
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post #6 of 18
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excerpt from today's LA Times coverage...

BY Michael A. Hiltzik

"For the most part, cross-examination by Maurice Suh, a Landis attorney, focused on numerous unexplained gaps in LNDD's records of the carbon isotope tests on Landis' samples.

The test involves an instrument that analyzes the constitution of more than a dozen chemical samples, including eight control samples designed to verify the equipment's accuracy. The test is designed to be automated, so that all the steps take place sequentially over a period of about seven hours without any intervention by an operator.

The tests on Landis' Stage 17 samples, however, each appear to have included an unexplained gap of about five hours between two of the steps.

"Tell me what happened here," Suh said to Mongongu, referring to one of the gaps.

She said "there was a problem," and that she had to implement one of the steps manually. Although such a departure from routine normally requires written documentation under WADA rules, Mongongu acknowledged that she made no note of the problem at the time.

Mongongu acknowledged that at several points during the April retests, she intervened manually in the test sequence because the instrument had produced a result that was "undoubtedly not correct." She did not document her action at the time, she acknowledged.

The incorrect or unacceptable results being produced by the machine tended to involve calibrations or verification runs, rather than readings on Landis' samples. But the defense may be intending to argue that the inadequacy of the machine casts doubt on Landis' results.

Mongongu's testimony suggested that the performance of the machine had been erratic for years; under questioning by Howard Jacobs, another lawyer for Landis, she said that she had had to summon a manufacturer's technician roughly 10 times since September 2003 to repair the hardware.

Records of the retesting in April indicated numerous similar gaps in documentation, some of them covering periods of more than an hour. Mongongu testified she could not recall the reason for the gaps."
post #7 of 18

A more juicy (tabloid oriented) turn at the hearings.
post #8 of 18
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what a scumsucking...

conniving IDIOT! and i don't mean Lemond.

from NY Times, courtesy Associated Press

"LeMond wound up disclosing he had been sexually abused as a child, and felt compelled to go public with that after receiving a call Wednesday from Landis' manager, Will Geoghegan, who knew that secret and threatened to reveal it if LeMond showed up to testify.

Shortly after LeMond dropped those bombshells, Geoghegan walked up to LeMond, apologized and admitted he made the call. That led to his prompt firing, as announced by Landis attorney Maurice Suh.

"It was a real threat, it was real creepy, and I think it shows the extent of who it is," LeMond said. "I think there's another side of Floyd that the public hasn't seen."

On Friday morning, Geoghegan released a public statement apologizing.
"I have been very angry about how unfair this whole proceeding is to Floyd, a great friend and a greater champion, and stupidly tried to take out my anger on Greg," Geoghegan said. "I acted on my own, impulsively, after a beer or two. I never thought about keeping Greg from testifying."

Landis, who is not allowed to comment to media during the hearing, sat stoically Thursday as he watched LeMond wreck his day.

Making it worse was that the cross-examination of LeMond, designed to expose his motives and impeach his credibility, was called off because LeMond refused to answer questions about Lance Armstrong."


edit: i find it difficult to imagine landis was not aware of this bit of extracurricular activity. i find it difficult to believe it wouldn't've come up in discussions, officious or sloppy, between him and his manager.

doesn't do much at all for a guy/team who'd like everyone to believe he doesn't have cheating in him.

either way, if that's a manager, that's some major league mismanagement.

also, STOP BLAMING THE BEER. ya tool ya.
post #9 of 18
From a Sports Illustrated article:

USADA attorney Matt Barnett then raised the subject of a hostile post Landis left on a cycling Web site last November, in which he took issue with LeMond's public comments about his case. "If he ever opens his mouth again and the word Floyd comes out, I will tell you all some things that you will wish you didn't know and unfortunately I will have entered the race to the bottom which is now in progress."
Its going to be hard for Landis to seperate himself from he manager's actions.
post #10 of 18
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really too bad if all the personal pettiness and vindictiveness derails whatever locomotive his attorneys have aimed at the gist of the matter: the tests, testing and testers.
post #11 of 18
An interesting sidenote is that the French Open tennis tournament announced today they are switching their drug tests to a lab in Montreal instead of the one that did Landis's test. They are claiming it was done for economic reasons.
post #12 of 18
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ex-manager enters rehab, right on cue.

it's the new ("i'm going to") disneyland.
post #13 of 18
Ryan, you've probably seen this since it's your hometown rag but here's a link for anyone interested to an opinion piece calling Landis "Barry Bonds on a bicycle" for conduct relating to the LeMond phone calls: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw...adlines-sports

To me, where I lose any faith in Landis is if he Landis actually knew Geoghegan (sp?) had called LeMond during the arbitration and did not immediately inform his lawyers and allow them to inform the tribunal. What was he thinking? Was he even thinking?

And now he's twisted in the wind another day ... however the arbs rule on this thing I thing Landis has lost the public on this one. I really wanted to believe he was clean and still think it's a possibility. But this is unconscionable and stupid. If Landis even tolerated Geoghegan's call - let alone if he instigated it - and waited to see if they'd be caught out, then I couldn't credit any of his other testimony.

And I never could believe a thing from the labs or race organizers.

What a mess.
post #14 of 18
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May 25, 2007, 2:21 pm NY Times

Tour de France Champion Admits Doping

By Mike Nizza

One of the safes hanging over Floyd Landis’s head as he fights doping allegations is the prospect of becoming the first Tour de France winner to be stripped of the title for doping. Today, another candidate volunteered. “My yellow jersey is in box at home, you can come and collect it,” said Bjarne Riis of Denmark as he admitted today that he used performance-enhancing drugs during his championship run in 1996.

“I have taken doping, I have taken EPO,” the blood-boosting hormone, he said today in Copenhagen. Directing his fans to “find new heroes,” he proclaimed that “the time has come to put the cards on the table.” But the chief of cycling’s governing body said today that no one would be coming to take his jersey. The statute of limitations prevented that.
Earlier in the week, three other cyclists admitted to doping, and on Thursday, two German members of Mr. Riis’s 1996 team made the same admission.

One of them hinted at a much bigger secret. “My generation will probably be remembered as Generation EPO,” Erik Zabel said.

If EPO-proving tests didn’t start until 2000, why is Generation EPO coming clean for abuses in the 1990’s?

With a Spanish investigation implicating over 100 riders so far, and Mr. Landis’s doping trial significantly raising the profile of the issue, former riders and cycling officials are starting to decide to drag the skeletons out of the closet on their own terms.

Perhaps the most shocking example of skeleton-dragging came from a man that didn’t admit to doping at all. Last week, Greg LeMond, the American cyclist who won the Tour three times, announced at the Landis trial that he was molested at the age of 6. He did so after trying to prove the power of openness in a private talk with Mr. Landis, whose manager then threatened to tell the world if Mr. LeMond testified.

“The law of silence is not totally broken, but the wall is crumbling,” Christian Prudhomme, the director of the Tour de France, said. To help that along further, he is calling for “lifetime bans for anyone who remained quiet but was later found to have doped,” The New York Times reported today.

Besides the investigations and the threatened lifetime bans, many also seem motivated by a love for the sport and a desire to restore it to its former greatness. Mr. Riis, who is now the sporting director of a cycling team, did so today while refusing to let go of his achievements.

“I’m proud of my results even though they were not completely honest,” he said, according to Reuters. “I’m coming out today to secure the right future for the sport.”
post #15 of 18

"we were bad, bad, bad, bad boyz"

pre-Festina roadie cred.

post #16 of 18
Riis is a punk. He has been outspoken for clean racing as a manager while his charges Hamilton, Basso, etc. busted and/or confessed. Professional wrestling is less fake than bicycling racing. It's over. Let them put motors on the bikes, no one will notice ...or care.
post #17 of 18
What sport doesn't have the help of science these days? There were F1 drivers who were clients of Dr Fuentes, there were numerous soccer players, have you watched pro football lately???

Cycling just needs a level playing field...which it seems to have. I'll take watching Floyd's suicide mission solo to victory over 'clean' (yeah, right) cycling any day.
post #18 of 18
Yesterday at our F-1 breakfast our Trek employee, who arranged our ride with the drivers and Discovery Team riders two years ago, said AMD is pulling out of it's association with Trek. His opinion was the doping issues associated with cycling are the cause.
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