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post #181 of 195
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In honestly this is a non issue, if you look at the square footage of the front view and the fact that the car has daytime running lights. This will not dismiss the fact that people are doing everything in the world on the road but but driving...talking on the phone, doing their nails, shaving, eating, texting..and they are not paying attention. Subaru's are about the safest cars out there, your two have proven that. Why would you consider anything else?


We're currently not considering anything else. It's between 2007 to 09 versus 2010-11 models.

post #182 of 195
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Having sold both Subies and Volvos for 8+ years each.Go Subie. Personally, I am not a fan of the newest generation Outback and Forester, both have been too decontented for materials and both have lost some of the Subaru Soul. IMHO the 05-09 were the best generation Leg/OB. 


Having had both, what would sway you towards the Subie over the Volvo? I only ask since I just changed from 9+ years of Subi ownership (Impreza 2.5RS -> WRX -> Legacy GT) to the Volvo XC90. I loved the Subies, especially the Legacy, but the new ones just were meh, and not as big as the Volvo, cargo space being one of the main considerations.

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Having had both, what would sway you towards the Subie over the Volvo? I only ask since I just changed from 9+ years of Subi ownership (Impreza 2.5RS -> WRX -> Legacy GT) to the Volvo XC90. I loved the Subies, especially the Legacy, but the new ones just were meh, and not as big as the Volvo, cargo space being one of the main considerations.


I know you didn't ask me but what made our choice for the 2009 Forester over something like a XC90 was cost. A difference of $12k, plus 9 MPG more and much lower insurance. 

 

It's way "less" car. Apples and oranges. 

 

You make the best choice for your budget, current lifestyle and what you want to spend on a car. 

 

There are some things I really don't like at all about the Forester. It was lacking in "content" but because we bought instead of leasing I can mod it a bit and make it a better. The seats suck for example, both support wise and fabric. I'm looking at buying some STI seats in a year or so to replace them. The road noise is excessive. I will be adding some sound proofing. Phil couldn't do things like that to improve it because he was leasing. Overall it's a very functional vehicle. Cargo space isn't an issue at all when you add a roof box and hitch haul. 

 

I have never owned a "perfect" vehicle that I wouldn't change at least something. The closest was probably my Tacoma. 

 

If the new Outback was out we would have bought that instead but we needed a vehicle 10 months before they arrived in the showroom. 

post #184 of 195
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......I now drive a Subie Outback Sport, in a 5-speed, and it's a fun little car and great in the snow.  Someday I'll replace it with an full-sized Outback, but I agree with Phil, the 2005-2009 model was my favorite.


The Outback Sport has caught my eye this past year . It reminds me of the older Saabs. How's the clearance and snow build up in the wheel wells?

 

TIA

 

PS Out of curiosity, has anyone found reliable info on when a Hybrid Subaru will be available?

post #185 of 195
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The Outback Sport has caught my eye this past year . It reminds me of the older Saabs. How's the clearance and snow build up in the wheel wells?

 

TIA

 

PS Out of curiosity, has anyone found reliable info on when a Hybrid Subaru will be available?


One of the reasons err. THE reason Toyota invested in Subaru was for their hybrid technology, supposed to be the best design to date. With that said, other than some high ups at Subaru, no one knows when it will hit the market. The Diesel was supposed to hit this year (according to data from two years ago) but that never happened. They have a great diesel that has been proven and running around europe for a while that SHOULD be brought here. Give me that motor 10 out of 10 times over any hybrid. 

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I know you didn't ask me but what made our choice for the 2009 Forester over something like a XC90 was cost. A difference of $12k, plus 9 MPG more and much lower insurance. 

 

It's way "less" car. Apples and oranges. 

 

You make the best choice for your budget, current lifestyle and what you want to spend on a car. 

 

 

Your last statement is the truest of all. I never checked on the Forester, but the newer (I bought used, probably always will now) XC90 was actually little less on insurance than the older Legacy GT. I suspect that the extra fuel consumption of the XC90 will be somewhat offset by the fact it can use regular instead of the GT's healthy appetite for premium.

 

If it were a case of money is no object, I would have loved to get the Audi Q7 with the TDI engine, but even used it start to be twice what the XC90 was.
 

post #187 of 195
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The Outback Sport has caught my eye this past year . It reminds me of the older Saabs. How's the clearance and snow build up in the wheel wells?

 

TIA

 

 

That isn't coincidental. Much of the new Impreza wagon styling was inspired by the now defunct Saab 92x (actually an Impreza wagon with a Saab badge). I drive the WRX equivalent and love it despite the lack of cargo room. 

 

No problem with snow build up and we had a ton of snow here last winter. I run 16s (which helps with snow build up issues) with snows in winter and 17s spring through fall. Works great!

 

Man, the two tone on paint on those Outback Sports is hideous. I would rather get the regular Impreza wagon.....or a white STI.  LOL!

 

I want this http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza-wrx/stise/index.html

STi_2.jpg
 


Edited by MattL - 7/14/10 at 10:47am
post #188 of 195


Highjack alert!
 

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The faster you can pass the better off you are. 


Spend whatever it takes! You only live once!

 

There are only two, um, "reasonable" (i.e., nutball) solutions:

  Cadillac CTS-V wagon with all-wheel drive (supercharged 6.2l V8, 556 hp, 0-60 3.9 seconds)

  Audi RS6 Avant (turbocharged 5.0l V10, 580 hp, 0-62 4.2 seconds)

 

The Cadillac is much cheaper and the Audi is not available in North America, so the Caddy is the easier choice for the drive to the heliski pickup point in British Columbia or wherever.

 

We now return you to our regularly scheduled Subaru discussion. Subies are great cars, but entirely too sensible.
 

post #189 of 195
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  Cadillac CTS-V wagon with all-wheel drive (supercharged 6.2l V8, 556 hp, 0-60 3.9 seconds)

 


I didn't know the Sport Wagon came in the CTS-V.   I looked at them too, but alas they didn't meet my cargo space needs, but If I was looking at a wagon, it would be right up there.

post #190 of 195

It's interesting to notice the quality of exhaust pipes/mufflers/welding on newer cars.  I've noticed a couple of American models...Chevy Cobalt and Jeep Patriot for example...you can see the muffler pretty clearly without looking hard, and it just looks like a low quality afterthought.  They didn't even try to make it look good, hide it, or barely make it functional.  Then you see cars like a Toyota Camry.  If I remember correctly, theirs is all blacked out, with sound deadening perhaps, and welded smoother, and generally of higher quality material it seems.  I don't know why the other manufacturers don't all mimic this.

post #191 of 195
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That isn't coincidental. Much of the new Impreza wagon styling was inspired by the now defunct Saab 92x (actually an Impreza wagon with a Saab badge). I drive the WRX equivalent and love it despite the lack of cargo room. 

 

No problem with snow build up and we had a ton of snow here last winter. I run 16s (which helps with snow build up issues) with snows in winter and 17s spring through fall. Works great!

 
 



The overal diameter of your winter 16's should be identical to your summer 17's (25") just with a taller sidewall (aspect ratio). There would be no difference in the wheelwell clearance. (they should be narrower as well)

 

My WRX runs 225/45-17 summer tires and 195/60-16 Blizzaks. (25.0" vs. 25.2")

post #192 of 195

The most practical vehicle I've ever owned is a 2006 Honda Element EX w/awd with steel wheels w/snows Nov-May., and lite-weight wheels w/summer rubber the rest of the year, also 5-spd.

I take out the back seats in summer and practically live in it mid June- Labor Day (I'm a school teacher).

 

The stick shift allows you to gear down and climb grades at 100mph, eg between Sacto-Truckee, but there is a rev limiter/fuel cutoff at ~110 mph in 5th, level road.

 

It's almost as much fun to drive as my '96 supercharged and race-ready Miata, but not BEAR-PROOF!  Check w/ SJ for how-not-to tips.

post #193 of 195

The Element has everything I need, except looks.

post #194 of 195
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The Element has everything I need, except looks.


lol, my brother has an Element as well. I remember the reviews by some car magazine at the time as saying "practical with styling by Rubbermaid"

post #195 of 195
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UPDATE RANT: Well it is pure joy dealing with Farmers Insurance and our worthless agent while getting screwed.  They are supposedly 'working for their customer' but it appears they have this valuation system that includes comps from hundreds of miles away whereas they dream up 'adjustments' to give you 90% of the real value of anything we could find that is close to a replacement. Additionally, they will be taking our deductible from the low ball proposed settlement and not pay loss of use expenses like a car rental (going on three weeks). Then, since they 'are working for their customer' , they claim they will go after the 100% at fault driver's company for the settlement amount, expenses and deductible. Then they would get us our expenses and deductible reimbursement. I'm not holding my breath.

 

After two weeks and hours and hours of wasted time and haggling I was informed (not by our agent) that I could have been discussing this with the other insurance company and may get a better settlement, including expenses and deductible. They have been stalling and I can see why people just take a settlement, absorb the cost and try to move on with their lives. I can't imagine what it would be like if there were also serious injuries or a death associated with an accident. It feels like there is collusion here and like Vegas, all settlements lean towards the house and the customer always loses, eventually.

 

We did test drive a 2011 Outback and then a 2009. The 11 was definitely roomier, taller and more comfortable, but lost the responsiveness of the previous generations. The few inches higher you sit is very noticeable. Apparently, the CVT transmission and 2.5 engine now returns 10% or so better gas mileage. Still not the same as the previous generation.

 

We're still looking for a 2007 to 2009 with lower miles, but our local options are limited. A local used auto finder is encouraging, but we still will be paying a couple grand over the settlement (min) unless we look for a lesser car than we lost.

 

Thanks Farmers. 


Edited by Alpinord - 7/28/10 at 7:53am
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